GOP Kicks Women Out Of Contraception Debate - Says It's About Religion Not Women

It's going to take a massive repub defeat in November both for the WH and in the congress for them to get the message.

Unfortunately, in a bizarre way, the extreme right finds religiously based psychosis much too comfortable even as it eats away at them in frustration.

A huge defeat might marginalize them for a number of years and will no doubt bring a sigh of relief to more rational and sober minded repubs. Perhaps then we can get the nation back on track economically and socially.

One can hope.

Yeah, but this is America. It does seem the worm is turning, but there's a long way to go and a lot can happen.

Yep, a lot can happen.

Repubs might experience a mass epiphany and realize they are alienating more and more moderates who would vote for them but for the scary rhetoric. If nuts like Santorum win the nomination I think the repubs will be dead meat come November.

Mitt, on the other hand is a much more subtle villain and threat. I think he's all about securing even more economic advantage for his core constituency of the very wealthy and the wannabe very wealthy. He'll let Santorum dig his own grave with the crazy and pointless social rhetoric while he essentially keeps his mouth shut and says nothing beyond a lot of open to interpretation double talk.

Santorum may have significant money behind him, but I think Mitt has the really big bucks backing him. Grover Norquist told us in plain English that all they need from a Mitt presidency is a signature.

If we elect Romney we'll be at war in six months over Israel and Iran. Don't do it. We can't win that one and keep our souls. And if you think we have a lot of people in prison now, just wait.

What if Jesus were to return? How would right wing Republicans react to a dark skinned Jew with two fathers?

Well met one WOMAN who uses it as period control so that I don't hemorrhage with every menses. And by hemorrhage, I do mean exactly that. I can fill no less than 4 pads with heavy flow every day and this can continue for more than six weeks. Just because they tell you that they use it as birth control doesn't mean they don't also use it as period control, just that they don't think you have any need to know anything else!

TMI

RAHILLY

Hey, you may think so but it does explain why women are so furious over this crap. Luckily, I'm not one who is ashamed of my biological functions. Would you prefer euphemisms? However, like I said to buckeyenut, just because the women he met never were so plain about everything they use birth control for, doesn't mean they didn't. Just like you think it's TMI, they probably thought so too and didn't tell s/he everything.

As for TMI, well... we are talking about a medical condition, they tend to be gross. What's worst of this is the anemia. Sometimes I am so tired, I can't even drive to work or get up to shower.

buckeyenut-2225921

100% of the girls I encountered after highschool used the pill for its' intende use. It's called birth control not period control.

troll commentary: DNFTT

buckeye seems to be a reason that there should be both contraception and abortions. Such an expert on woman's health. I KNOW I wouldn't want to see it on a clinical basis or otherwise!

My 14-year-old granddaughter was just prescribed birth control pills to control her periods. She was bleeding down her legs. Are we going to outlaw all medicines which might have a reproductive side affect.

And thank GOD that this medicine also protects her from pregnancy.

Door, I started when I was 14 because I was missing school. Getting mine meant 2 days of throwing up.

People, especially men, just don't know how much hormone changes can affect your body.

Door King

I would take the religious right at it's word if we the voters give them the power come November.

I would miss at least one day of school every month because it was so bad. I even threw up. Back then, mothers didn't think about getting their daughters on the Pill to control their periods. However, when my daughter started showing the same symptoms that I did when I was a teenager I decided she didn't have to put up with it. Fortunately, my husband agreed after I explained it to him. She's very glad that I got her on the Pill.

Robin, thats pretty much what happened to me. Last year I was off it for a couple months because I never found time to go to the doctor. I found out from my roommate and fiance that those couple months, I was the meanest person ever.

After talking to my mom, turns out she has the same problems. We have hormone balance issues. Our bodies don't produce very much estrogen on their own.

I had periods every 21 days and was bedridden for 2-3 days per 6 day period - this was during my 30s and 40s. I already had tubal ligation, but still need hormone therapy. These guys know nothing.

Wrong, RbW. They know better than you what meds you need. "God" tells them so.

Why is it so difficult for people to mind their own business??

These people have been lying in the weeds since 1964 (SCOTUS decides that birth control is AOK for married people). They have never been sanguine about our ability to decide our lives as we wish because we are not fully, equal human beings in most of their religions' tracts. Any woman who sides with them in this day has been so severely abused and threatened, well, they are that 1-2% who have been brainwashed into the old "submit to your hubby" crap.

Frankly I believe women should have access to medicines to prevent pregnancy and go out and have as much sex as they want, just like men have been doing for centuries. Kind of make for an equal playing field, so to speak. Oh wait, perhaps that's what the "all men" panel is upset about. Hmm.............

Lola, I totally agree! And, I've been doing just that since I was very very young, without the contraception that is available to women these days. We were trailblazers, I guess. What I really think is that women have always loved sex and it is only the religions that make us feel bad about it. Nuns' habits, burkhas - I would not have lasted when I was a teen - sure death!

RaisedbyWolves, good thing they didn't succeed in making us feel bad about sex, otherwise there'd be a lot fewer kiddies. LOL

And my first husband would not have gotten his 3A deferment during Nam. My only pregnancy. I literally prayed to never ever get preggers again, and it worked! I couldn't take the early pill because the dosage was enough to make sure horses couldn't get pregnant. Luckily my tubes and my womb were destroyed by my usage of them for 3 years. So, I had to stop them, but damn if I was going to stop sex. Men are good for that, at least!

Yeah, sadly though they can't do the multiples like we can. sighhhh hmmm maybe that's the why some of those old dudes are soooo doing stuff about women. Jealous they are...LOL

Men are good for that, at least!

But sadly many aren't. I think the changing of one work in this saying would be more realistic;

"You have to fu_k a lot of toads before you find your prince."

LOL!!!

Oh, indeed! You are both right. I got to the point where I wouldn't even bother with names until I was sure they deserved recognition! Hubby, however, he got me with our first kiss. I never touched another man. It took him a year to figure out that we were it, but I knew at "That Kiss"! (Hate C&W music, but Faith Hill's song really hits it.)

Oh, its okay for men to have their petty desires, but not women they are too pure for that... PUKE

The Great Liberal Society is built to revolve around Freedom and Equal Rights FOR ALL!!!

Get used to it.....

uhhhh...our great society is built to revolve around everyone's petty desires.

Men wanna cheat and run for president...ok

Priests want to molest and churches cover up...apparently ok

Women want to have equal access to medicine regardless of employer....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

wait...whats that I hear...of the 19th century is calling you, hurry up while women still can't vote

raging must not have any relationship with a woman OR she doesn't know he is like that......must be plastic or brain-dead stupid!

<GASP> It's not all about the whims of the modern American woman??? How can that be??? The great Liberal society is built to revolve around the woman and her petty desires?

Ooooh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that using hormonal birth control was a "petty" desire. I'm so glad you pointed it out to me. I'll stop taking it.

By the way, will you be the one who is around do deal with me when I'm writhing in pain and puking once a month?

Didn't think so. So never mind. I guess since I have to take care of myself and not have to miss work for 1 or 2 days a month, I'll go back on that birth control.

Radical

Aren't you forget the sarcasm tag?

I don't think he did, JW.

Now....I have to step away from the keyboard before I get a suspension.

It's not all about the whims of the modern American woman??? How can that be??? The great Liberal society is built to revolve around the woman and her petty desires?

Way to besmirch and alienate the largest voting block in the country, "centrist". American Women had been subservient to the whims of males for the greater portion of our history, and subordinate to the male dominated organized religions for centuries. Her "Petty desires" , like getting comprehensive healthcare coverage that includes contraception , like a vasectomies have been covered for men, having women's healthcare clinics like Planned Parenthood that looks after women's health.

Im so glad the misogynist clowns are out in force on this, shows their true colors...think they'll think twice after women put the President over the top by a healthy margin?

The great Liberal society is built to revolve around the woman and her petty desires?

The great Conservative society is built to revolve around the men and their desire for complete power over women. There, I fixed it for you.

This is SUCH A LOSER for republicans, and they don't even see it.

Radical Centrist = troll

This is SUCH A LOSER for republicans, and they don't even see it.

Oh they see it, but its a Lose-Lose situation for them. They can either get the church/evangelicals vote OR they can get the womans vote. They just showed the whole country whos side they are on.

Well said Brian!!

Actually, I think the Court has been MISREADING both the 1st and 2nd Amendments as to WHO they pertain. I beleive the 1st Amendment, INCLUDING religion is ONLY an individual right that applies to INDIVIDUALS, and only the perversion of treating corporations as "people" allows the Court to make the totally unwarrented expansion of that right to institutions. And, the 2nd Amendment, with its OBVIOUS PLURAL usage is NOT meant to be an individual right, but a COLLECTIVE right of people to organize to defend themselves. And yes, I know, this may offer underpinnings to "militias", as long as they are well regulated, ANOTHER word IGNORED by gun lovers inthe 2nd Amendment

In context of the times, the second amendment refers to a person's right to keep and bear arms, because a 'well regulated militia' may need to be organized at any time to ensure the 'security of a free state'. When it was written, the idea of a standing army was still a rather controversial topic. So the provision was made so that the citizenry could be armed and ready to organize a defense, be it against an invader, a gang of criminals, or a despotic takeover.

As for religious freedom, it's explained quite thoroughly by the framers and by subsequent SCOTUS documents since its inception. It is quite plain that the amendment was intended for individuals and their right to assemble in religious congregations, but by no means did it extend to the corporation (such as the RCC). In fact, the establishment clause is largely meant to mitigate the political power of such religious corporations, something which was a hot issue during the Enlightenment.

Rahlly,

Silly! Don'y you know that God only speaks to men?

/s/

E

My wife would be very surprised that women don't count in religion...she's a minister, a Sunday School teacher, and only recently stopped singing in the church choir, something she'd been doing since she was 13.

I won't say how long that's been, lest she see this and whup up on me for posting her age in front of the whole wide world, ;}

Christianity isn't the problem here, folks. The problem IMO is that these guys don't recognize themselves for what they are (besides idiots, I mean): PHARISEES. These are the very same types of men who crucified The Lord, and thought they were doing a good thing, when all they were really doing was justifying and protecting their grab for power.

IF the scales ever fall off their eyes---and it's a big if, but God is able---one thing they'll see is the sheer stupidity of having any sort of birth control discussion without having some women front and center in it.

Unfortunately there are lots of insecure women who believe that daddy knows what's best for them.

Look at how Sanitorium's women look on him in adoration when he insinuates himself into issues of intimate concern to women.

Look at how Sanitorium's women look on him in adoration when he insinuates himself into issues of intimate concern to women.

Yes and the rest of us look at him with total disbelief.

basically, teapublicons are saying that women don't matter except for being incubators for new humans - they leave the issues of whether women matter in religion for male religionists to decide

Ah yes, the ole' Martin Luther mindset on women's worth;

"If they [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that's why they are there."

Martin Luther (1483 to 1546)

Wow Lola, He was as concerned with women as he was with Jewish people!

Kind of reminds ya of the republican party huh?

As someone who was prescribed contraceptive for medical reasons this "ALL MALE" conversation really pisses me off! I would suggest that the first man that can successfully bleed from their sperm dispensers for upward to 7-10 days can call me and we'll have an intelligent discussion on the merits to contraceptives otherwise they all the just SHUT THE HELL UP!

That is about the dumbest title for a hearing I have ever heard, but these right wingnuts don't surprise me much any more. And yes, women have a right to talk about contraception at this clownfest. That is what started this whole circus.

The fact is, whatever the merits of providing contraception, the political left is lying about this hearing. EVERY liberal media source is describing this hearing as being about contraception, when it is actually about freedom of religion.

Okay, I think we should have a committee meeting about the religious objection to providing ED. After all... if it takes two to make a baby, and with so many unwanted babies why should we be funding drugs that make it more likely for a man to get a woman pregnant. I object on religious grounds because apparently god didn't want that man to rise. I object to being told to cover that med which is used for recreational use as it's only function is to let men have sex and I object because it interferes with god's will.

So let me title it, "Lines crossed: Separation of church and state. Has the Obama administration trampled on freedom of religion and freedom of conscience?" And let the panel be only of women in opposition of being forced to pay medical premiums to cover men's erectile dysfunction medication. After all, it's not like it affects any men or as if their religious opinions matter. It's about me not wanting to pay for it and find a religious basis to object to it.

::rolling eyes::

All I want to know is why liberals feel compelled to lie about the hearing? It's a simple question.

An MSNBC host, Chris Jansing, just said this, "In a hearing about women's reproductive rights they would not allow any women to speak"

1. The hearing was about freedom of religion.

2. Two women did speak on one of the panels.

Can I see a show of hands.......

All of those in favor of NOT making priests/bishops/popes use contraceptives raise you hand NOW! Wave them in the air!

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All of those in favor of making priests/bishops/popes violate their consciences and force them to use contraceptives raise you hand NOW!

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Thank you all for coming today, by an almost unanimous vote, the nation has voted that priests/bishops/popes DO not have to use contraceptives that go against their consciences.....

Next hearing!

Rahlly, love it. Can I be on that panel?

Well, you've succeeded in proving you know nothing about the issue. Congratulations.

Sure nica, but remember... no men allowed since it's only about our objections to paying for it... now about what it is!

I am fine with that, Rahlly.... as a woman (whose man does not need pep pills) I don't want to pay for them pills so men can get it up... You are right - if god has decided that the man should be flaccid then flaccid he should remain. It is as god decrees LOL. After all those pills were not created to make hard-ons, but to help with heart issues....

As reporting by Bloomberg and ABC this week has made clear, the contraception mandate was fiercely opposed within the Administration, including by Vice President Joe Biden.

Even Biden has to be amazed at how much this is helping Obama. The GOP clownfest really looks ridiculous on this one. Go ahead, piss off the largest voting block in America, women.

No Iv they wanted the President to adjust the rule, they were not opposed to it, Neither was Bush or Ashcroft when they enforced similar rules without such faux controversy . You can't keep your plan? you must have made poor choices, I keep my plan and now I get more comprehensive coverage, and some actual real competition for my business. Without ACA we'd have millions more who would not be covered and would cost the nation like has been the status quo you seek to preserve. We should like the freest most capiltalist nations on earth, Like Hong Kong, Singapore Australia and New Zealand have universal healthcare .

It takes a real man to admit he doesn't know squat about women. I salute you, John Shriver!

Hear, hear!

not even Dr. Phil can help you.

However, Dr. Phil does know when to shut up when his wife Robin gives him that look and say, "don't you Dr. Phil me!".

Alex: That is what I cannot understand. Even if a woman agrees with the Republicans, how could she stand the condensation and the proposed future for her daughters? A woman voting Republican is rather like a Black voting for George Wallace when he ran for president.

Women helped put the repubs in charge of the house of representatives.

And those women are deranged enough to actually support the war against them. There won't be enough of them this year to repeat 2010. We're starting to see the beginning of much greater interest in this year's election from Dems and independents than was the case two years ago. Republicans will be lucky if this isn't that kind of blowout against them this year.

Employers are required to follow federal law. The Church has exemptions. Their schools and hospitals do not, because the employ many non catholics. That is also irrelevant because the church is removed from making any such decisions thanks to the Presidents compromise and the insurance companies seeing how it benefits them to provide the comprehensive coverage.

Randy, that's way beyond the right wing's ability to grasp. If it says catholic on it somewhere that's all they can see.

You're Custer!

I first read that as cluster and thought, yes, this is one big cluster @!$%# for the teavangelicals.

the topic is about a pathetic attempt to insert a wedge issue into the next election. That attempt is backfiring big time.

Correct, insertion of women's health is said wedge.

If women's health was the inserted wedge issue, why didn't the Dems start the issue? The entire thing started with the GOP wanting to allow religious employers to deny contraception to women. Something they didn't seem to cry about when 28 states did it prior to this election. Even Huckaby signed this type of legislation in Arkansas, not to mention Mitt in Mass. Dems could have hardly started it without that initial nonsense. Your logic is somewhat flawed.

The entire thing started with the GOP wanting to allow religious employers to deny contraception to women.

Nope, it started with a mandate by a Democratic President saying ALL heath care insurance companies must provide birth control with no co-pay. This issue was started by Dems but then turned into (as always) a wedge issue for the republicans and their evangelical clowns.

Can't blast the President for the economy? Then let's bitch about birth control and abortion, which IS a very important part of women's heath care.

Loola ...the desperation on the right mounts...rather pathetic isn't it?

Yes it is Randy.

3 out of the 4 times I've been hospitalize is because of carrying a pregnancy to term and giving birth. Had I chosen to not have children and used birth control there's an extremely good chance I wouldn't have gotten pregnant which was the cause of 3 of my hospitalizations. I can't see how this issue is not about women.

Lola.....You're a woman?

No, you're a WOMAN - W O M A N

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jiwZCskgNE

Nope, it started with a mandate by a Democratic President saying ALL heath care insurance companies must provide birth control with no co-pay. This issue was started by Dems

Let's stick with this....take out Religion, political opposition and their assumed motivation. You have no problems with this?

Sure Boot, take the religion out. I won't hold my breath. And this IS about women whether you see it or not.

Let's stick with this....take out Religion, political opposition and their assumed motivation. You have no problems with this?

If they were to do that it'd be a non-issue. They have to insert religion, political opposition and assumed motivation in women's reproductive choices in an attempt to win elections. Otherwise they've got nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jiwZCskgNE

LOL! Love it kj!!!

I like this one too;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcdONaKSQM

Mandating free @!$%# is an attempt at winning elections. Hell, it's the Dem way.

Mandating free @!$%#

Free??? there is a premium paid.

Free??? there is a premium paid.

Some people just don't get it do they?

Are colonoscopies free? Are prostate exams free? Are mammograms free?

Should we nix all cancer screening because there isn't a co-pay or individual charge?

In this topic who pays the premium or majority of the premium?

Do you know? I know through my employment I pay the majority if the premium.

Boot

Here is a link to an informative video you should watch. I posted this link before but I guess there are still many who haven't seen it yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw36DbFBemc

My answers to that excellent youtube video you provided Non_Neocon, are;

Yes and Just Right.

Thank you