Andrew Breitbart Loses Control at "Occupy" Protesters

I am truly afraid of these people. They are such hate-filled, venomous, fear-filled people that I am honestly afraid of what they will do when they lose the election(s).

Since so many of them appear to be frothing at the mouth, can you expect any rational response from them?

No we cant expect a rational response. Look at their behavior since Obama's election. What remains in the right wing are bigots, liars, and deluded ignorant victims that havent a clue and arent smart enough to really do homework and people like Fox ,Limbaugh, Malkin and Coulter reaping huge profits getting them all riled.

I do not fear these cowards from the right wing though , they can bring it on if they so choose and they will find out just how hellish violence is first hand.

They will fail and demolish their own cause just as the Confederates did during the Civil war. Their states rights mantra caused arguments among the Confederate states, they helped defeat themselves.

What I do fear is the dismantling of the country because divided we fall. THIS is what people like OBL are/were hoping for and the right wing seems to want to deliver it to them.

The right wing media and GOP establishment has deceived so many of these people and they are the sort that when proven wrong just get angry at the messenger instead of the people that deceived them. They cannot admit they are wrong ..ever.

I agree with you grandma - it seems to me the majority of the right wing nut cases are absolutely losing it, becoming unhinged - while it's humorous in part to watch them fall apart - on the other hand it is quite frightening.

Maybe they could show some initiative and personal responsibility like those Penn State students did when they were turning over news vans in support of that child rapist.

What does that have to do with my comment?

Well that figures. I wonder, how much time have you spent with them and if they were behaving so badly, why didn't you stop them?

WOW! "Stop raping people"???????????????? Says one of the biggest fascist @!$%#ing freaks in the fascist camp. These people were practicing their constitutional right to assemble and protest what they believe is a problem in the country.

There is no Constitutional right to assemble and protest. The Constitution says people can petition their GOVERNMENT for to redress grievances but NOTHING ELSE. There is no right to talk to anyone who is not a part of government and CPAC is not the US GOVERNMENT, therefore these protestors have NO RIGHT to deny CPAC their right to peaceably assemble.

OWS is trying to deny others their rights. They're not exercising anything but terrorism and disruption and they should have their damned drums shoved into jail with them.

MeanGene-3334839

There is no right to talk to anyone who is not a part of government and CPAC is not the US GOVERNMENT,

However, there were members of the government there as well as wannabe government entities there. Should the protestors just go away and not protest what those members of government and wannabe's stand for? Should TP not be at a democratic function to protest? OWS is indeed vocal, but not violent. I didn't see anyone being arrested for disruptive behavior. But I did see Breitbart joining in the fray in his typical obnoxious manner as well. You know this activity, on both sides is going to get hotter and more vocal as the election gets closer. And I suspect that all sides are going to get less and less civil. But that is America today.

However, there were members of the government there as well as wannabe government entities there.

That doesn't matter. They were not at CPAC in any official capacity. No legislation was being passed there. No governing was happening there. The stupid OWS jihadists were interrupting a PRIVATE CITIZEN EVENT.

The bastard terrorists of OWS were banging drums to SHUT DOWN FREE SPEECH. They are pinkos and anti-Americans who hold NO BELIEF in the freedom of speech.

Do believers in Free Speech drown out others with puerile chants and banging drums? Their actions are closer to those of Bashar Assad than to Thomas Jefferson.

Should the protestors just go away and not protest what those members of government and wannabe's stand for?

They can protest next week when they're not interfering with the peaceable assembly of others like some damned fascist regime.

Should TP not be at a democratic function to protest?

No, they shouldn't and they aren't. It's uncivilized behavior which the Tea Party doesn't do because the Tea Party is made up of responsible tax paying citizens and not a bunch of punk ass jihadists.

OWS is indeed vocal, but not violent.

There's no form of violence left that OWS hasn't been linked to. Rape, murder, property damage, theft, assault, rioting, looting and resisting arrest have all been committed by the jihadists of OWS.

I didn't see anyone being arrested for disruptive behavior.

You didn't see disruptive behavior? That's all the OWS Jihadist Punks were there for! They had not one point to make. They just wanted to terrorize and disrupt. They weren't protestors, they were terrorists and goons.

But I did see Breitbart joining in the fray in his typical obnoxious manner as well.

Breitbart isn't a conservative. No man with a hippie beard like that is a real conservative. Conservatives have actual grooming habits.

You know this activity, on both sides is going to get hotter and more vocal as the election gets closer. And I suspect that all sides are going to get less and less civil. But that is America today.

As the election gets closer and more OWS criminals are cuffed and stuffed in prisons where terrorists and outlaws belong, the Democrats will be losing more and more voters because jailbirds don't get to cast ballots.

The stupid OWS jihadists were interrupting a PRIVATE CITIZEN EVENT.

Maybe they belong inside, instead of being out in public where everyone else has to listen to their BS....

Maybe they belong inside, instead of being out in public where everyone else has to listen to their BS....

It wouldn't make any difference as criminals in OWS have been known to break into buildings before. There's no law these OWS punks won't break.

Agree or disagree meangene this thing is escalating and the future is not pretty for BOTH sides and the one percent side started this freak show they star in.

It's becoming more and more clear that there is no more debate possible with the far right wing fascist scumbags that are presently showing their vile ideology of hatred. I will do my part to pound these fascist punks into the dirt come November.

Agree or disagree meangene this thing is escalating and the future is not pretty for BOTH sides and the one percent side started this freak show they star in.

First of all, the so-called 99% is actually closer to being 0.1% themselves as over 300 Million Americans are no part of these fringe lunatic wackos banging drums and playing urban campout.

Secondly, the idiots are going to vote for Obama who actually IS richer than 99% of Americans. The election choices come November 6th are going to be between:

Millionaire A or Millionaire B

Harvard Lawyer A or Harvard Lawyer B

Career Politician A or Career Politician B

Partisan Hack A or Partisan Hack B

1%er A or 1%er B

Finally, OWS has no cause, and no candidate meets their specifications at all so they're just being dumb. They're not going to get a vote for wealth redistribution from millionaires, not when the United States Congress is 47% Millionaires themselves and the average US Senator has a net worth of $2.5 Million. They're not going to vote their own money away.

OWS has no choice but to vote for Obama. They cannot vote for any Republican because Republicans don't even remotely believe in their socialist agenda, and since they're guaranteed votes for Democrats they can't demand anything from Democrats because they've got no bargaining chips.

They'd be funny if they weren't serious. Once they figure out that there's no chance to get their economic "justice" by peaceful means, they'll resort to old fashioned robbery and then wind up in prison.

There is no Constitutional right to assemble and protest. The Constitution says people can petition their GOVERNMENT for to redress grievances but NOTHING ELSE. There is no right to talk to anyone who is not a part of government and CPAC is not the US GOVERNMENT, therefore these protestors have NO RIGHT to deny CPAC their right to peaceably assemble.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

What the first amendment does NOT cover is threats against the President. But the Tea Party paid off so many of the right people that they could bring weapons to Presidential town halls and signs with the quote about "Time to water the Tree of Liberty," and call that an exercise in free speech. No. That is a felony. But evidently only if you fail to pay off the right people.

That doesn't matter. They were not at CPAC in any official capacity. No legislation was being passed there. No governing was happening there. The stupid OWS jihadists were interrupting a PRIVATE CITIZEN EVENT.

What about when Scalia or Thomas or Roberts show up at right wing thousand dollar a plate dinners, or Jenny Thomas's own Tea Party - making her the money man and pimp for the whore that Thomas is? No complaint there.

The bastard terrorists of OWS were banging drums to SHUT DOWN FREE SPEECH. They are pinkos and anti-Americans who hold NO BELIEF in the freedom of speech.

But Westboro Baptist Church protesting funerals would be okay. Since they are private citizens exercising free speech.

Gosh. Maybe banging drums in protest IS free speech. Its not like speech or books or movies critical of the Gas Industry, promoting a view that homosexuality is anything less that an abomination worthy of a gruesome death, that evolution or Global Climate Change might be real. Yet, not only have private citizens protested these things, but the power of local and state governments have exercised underdue weight in these issues. And THAT violates free speech. But again, no complaint about that.

Do believers in Free Speech drown out others with puerile chants and banging drums? Their actions are closer to those of Bashar Assad than to Thomas Jefferson.

No. They brandish weapons, bear placards with the president painted to look like Hitler and wave signs with messeges about "Water the Tree of Liberty..." Thomas Jefferson would be sooo proud I'm sure.

They can protest next week when they're not interfering with the peaceable assembly of others like some damned fascist regime.

A fascist regime is one that engages in racial profiling in violation of 4th Amendment Protections, that uses industrial strength pepper-spray on passive protestors seated on the ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4 Against an 84 year old woman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkLIWm4nY0 That uses militarized tactics and weapons against protestors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6blAR1Zjcb8 That cracks the skulls of Iraq veterans with tear gas cannisters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEj_4fqDbnM Peppersprays women and drags them out into the street by their hair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ05rWx1pig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU9Dx0x9h4A&feature=related

That's what a fascist regime looks like. And that is what you support. Projection much?

As the election gets closer and more OWS criminals are cuffed and stuffed in prisons where terrorists and outlaws belong, the Democrats will be losing more and more voters because jailbirds don't get to cast ballots.

Right you are Gene. Exactly right. Because it is absolutely in the fascist text book to arrest and persecute political dissidents. Nelson Mandella. Martin Luther King Jr. The Freedom Riders. They earned their moral authority sitting in prison cells for protesting immoral political regimes. Fights that your side has always been on the wrong side of.

Further, CPAC all to man represent the ideology of an administration that lied and tortured America into a war of choice so a single man could get his ya-yas one-upping his own daddy, that graduated from the Enron school of economics and as a consequence damn near burned down the whole American economy, who promise to out-Bush Bush the way Bush out out Reaganed Reagan (among Reagan's achievements, multi trillion dollar deficits for the first time in American history; a war on Welfare Queens that coupled with union busting and the exportation of manufacturing jobs lead to the Crack Epidemic (no such thing as a crack baby before mid-80's...should be called Reagan Babies) and the promotion of a fascist War on Drugs that turns the prison industrial complex into a back-door for public dime welfare; a crashed stock market in'87; Saving and Loan bailouts because of Junk Bonds. Oh those were such good times.

And if any of the cretins running for office on the Republican side get elected, they'll look back on Bush as a reasonable and moderate president too after the abuses and crimes that his successor will perpetrate. MORE TAX CUTS AND DEREGULATION? Really?

Damn right CPAC needed to be protested.

Gene, you use words that I'm fairly sure you don't understand:

Fascism. http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Jihadist. Jihadis are fundamentalist zealots who believe they are killing and dying in the name of God. The only Americans who really fit that description are the assassins of abortion providers and abortion clinic bombers.

You and yours are on the wrong side of that fight too.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

and mean gene gets it wrong again. Trying to set a record Gene?

the right of the people peaceably to assemble AND to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You do understand what "and" means dont you Gene?

and : 1 conjunction:(used to connect grammatically coordinate words, phrases, or clauses) along or together with; as well as;
in addition to; besides; also; moreover: pens and pencils.
2 added to; plus: 2 and 2 are 4.
3.
then: He read for an hour and went to bed.

4.
also, at the same time: to sleep and dream.

No, they shouldn't and they aren't. It's uncivilized behavior which the Tea Party doesn't do because the Tea Party is made up of responsible tax paying citizens and not a bunch of punk ass jihadists.

LOLOL!! shouting in people's faces is civilized? carrying guns with signs threatening to water the tree of liberty ... is civilized.

Do believers in Free Speech drown out others with puerile chants and banging drums? Their actions are closer to those of Bashar Assad than to Thomas Jefferson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AvRzL7KoRs

yeah they are soo civilized.

Apparently Gene hasnt a clue what civilized means. The Tea Bags pushed for violence, the only thing stopping them was the possibility of their own incarceration.

Chuck1968

Apparently Gene hasnt a clue what civilized means.

It appears to be what THEY define it to be. And only THEY are the civil bulwarks in this national debate. Again, they say and do exactly what they say the other side does.

What the first amendment does NOT cover is threats against the President. But the Tea Party paid off so many of the right people that they could bring weapons to Presidential town halls and signs with the quote about "Time to water the Tree of Liberty," and call that an exercise in free speech. No. That is a felony. But evidently only if you fail to pay off the right people.

The Second Amendment is a right, not a threat. Cops carry guns all the time and cops have no more rights than citizens do. There is no harm and no foul when a lawful American carries a firearm. It's paranoia that causes liberals to turn into gun grabbing weenies.

What about when Scalia or Thomas or Roberts show up at right wing thousand dollar a plate dinners, or Jenny Thomas's own Tea Party - making her the money man and pimp for the whore that Thomas is? No complaint there.

At least they're coming by the donations honestly instead of raiding Union Dues from working stiffs without their permission or approval to get anti-business Democrats into office. Besides, a thousand dollars isn't that much money really.

But Westboro Baptist Church protesting funerals would be okay. Since they are private citizens exercising free speech.

Nobody protesting is okay. All protesting is a despicable act which I hate and oppose no matter what the cause. Protestors are all criminals and they all need to be thrown under the jail.

It appears to be what THEY define it to be. And only THEY are the civil bulwarks in this national debate. Again, they say and do exactly what they say the other side does.

If those bastard OWSers bang a drum anywhere I can hear it, I'll bring a bigger, badder drum and get sweet revenge by busting them down.

The Second Amendment is a right, not a threat. Cops carry guns all the time and cops have no more rights than citizens do. There is no harm and no foul when a lawful American carries a firearm. It's paranoia that causes liberals to turn into gun grabbing weenies.

So then those people were all checked for gun permits?

and Conservatives wont mind at all when OWS starts carrying loaded weapons?

All protesting is a despicable act which I hate and oppose no matter what the cause. Protestors are all criminals and they all need to be thrown under the jail.

Well then let's start with the Tea Bags who lied about and protested the health care reform bill.

If those bastard OWSers bang a drum anywhere I can hear it, I'll bring a bigger, badder drum and get sweet revenge by busting them down.

Then why havent you done it?... you bad ass, lmao!

All protesting is a despicable act which I hate and oppose no matter what the cause. Protestors are all criminals and they all need to be thrown under the jail.

If those bastard OWSers bang a drum anywhere I can hear it, I'll bring a bigger, badder drum and get sweet revenge by busting them down.

Don't forget to through yourself in jail as well!

#1 chuck, not one gun was carried into a Presidential town hall. As Joe Wilson said. You lie.

#2 In my state, you do not need a permit to carry a gun, only to carry it concealed.

#3 Since the OWS protestors can't seem to follow the laws, and get into fights with police, I would suggest that they probably should leave the weapons at home, or they'll likely be killed by the police.

#4. We were right about the Healthcare law. It will be thrown out, or repealed.

I say let the Occutards protest. They even have the democrats distancing themselves from the smelly, rapist, drugdealing,, squatting, @!$%#ting on police car criminals now.

Chuck

This is wha the SCOTUS says about the right to assemble:

The right to assemble is not an absolute right. There are some restrictions on this right as there are with other rights. The right to assemble is not as strongly protected by the government as other rights, such as the freedom of speech. This is because groups that assemble often do so, not with just speech, but with some type of conduct, such as picketing, protesting, marching or gathering in a park, which may disrupt the peace.

The courts have ruled that, while it is the responsibility of the government to protect the people's right to assemble, it is also the government's responsibility to keep the peace. Because of this, the courts have allowed governments to make reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner of these assemblies. The government may place restrictions on the right to assemble that will maintain law and order, facilitate traffic, protect private property and reduce noise congestion.

http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/freedom-of-assembly-clause.html#ixzz1cHs37Gka

chuck, not one gun was carried into a Presidential town hall. As Joe Wilson said. You lie.

Lemme guess you're going to parse words and point to "into" doesnt matter these freak tea bags brought guns . AND even in NH you need a permit as well as most other states.. YOU lie!

Again YOU WONT MIND THEN IF OWS CARRIES WEAPONS TO REPUBLICAN TOWN HALLS RIGHT?

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2009/08/11/obama-town-hall-protester-with-gun/

Since the OWS protestors can't seem to follow the laws,

they did follow laws and in fact made sure that no traffic was impeded that they cleaned and ran a nice lil camp until the conservative babies started crying to the police. There was no reason to "keep the peace" as the OWS wasnt violent UNTIL the police started bashing heads and arresting people illegally.

nothing the conservatives have done was reasonable. carrying guns and threatening to water the tree of liberty went far far further towards the threat of violence than did any OWS protester.

We were right about the Healthcare law. It will be thrown out, or repealed.

You all LIED about health care as well, SHOW us the death panels , SHOW us the line (not the table of contents) where abortions were included. SHOW us where government was going to CHOOSE your doctor. You cant because they are all LIES.

Show us the alleged OWS rape that occurred ? You LIE!!!

The problem with Conservatives is their continual lying and double standards.

Most OWS misbehavior was incited by Black Blocks, that is agents provocateurs acting as fifth columnists, doing just what the cons liked. By causing trouble at OWS events, they made the rest look bad who were behaving themselves. Many of the BB crowd carried badges as well, so cops were causing the trouble that the cops then could use as an excuse to roust the legitimate protestors.

Protesting is an American right and tradition, and "rough music" like chanting and beating drums goes back to the Colonial period and before that in England.

James Essayist

Most OWS misbehavior was incited by Black Blocks, that is agents provocateurs acting as fifth columnists, doing just what the cons liked. By causing trouble at OWS events, they made the rest look bad who were behaving themselves. Many of the BB crowd carried badges as well, so cops were causing the trouble that the cops then could use as an excuse to roust the legitimate protestors.

Protesting is an American right and tradition, and "rough music" like chanting and beating drums goes back to the Colonial period and before that in England.

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#7.19 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:12 PM PST

Black Block and Police Provocateurs too. The Black Block may work with authorities (just conjuncture) but Anarchist are at least for sure associated with White Supremacist groups which obviously would not/do not hold the same values as OWS and would clearly be there dressed in black with faces covered and shields and molotov cocktails and unusually sophisticated spray paint apparatuses to cause trouble, hijack the OWS message & hijack the media headlines which for some reason (in cahoots?) the media madly eats up ignoring all the hours of peaceful progressive productive protest to instead concentrate on the few instances where Black Block/Anarchist manage to get in fights with police making a great show for media. http://anarchonation.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/who-are-the-bananas/

The Bay Area National Anarchists (BANANAs) are an odd little group based in San Francisco.

http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/7712

'National Anarchism' California Racists Claim They're Anarchists

...But also lurking at the book fair was a handful of little-noticed anarchists of a different sort — so-called "national anarchists," who advocate racial separatism and white racial purity. They're also fiercely anti-gay and anti-Israel. Calling themselves the Bay Area National Anarchists (BANA), they envision a future race war leading to neo-tribal, whites-only enclaves to be called "National Autonomous Zones."

"We are racial separatists for a number of reasons, such as our desire to maintain our cultural continuity, the principle of voluntary association, and as a self-defensive measure to protect each other from being victimized by crime from other races," BANA co-founder Andrew Yeoman told the Intelligence Report.

Members of BANA and other likeminded national anarchists cloak their bigotry in the language of radical environmentalism and mystical tribalism, pulling recruits from both the extreme right and the far left.

...The group also recently formed at least a fleeting alliance with the American Front, a skinhead group based in Sacramento, Calif. American Front leader David Lynch credits BANA online with helping raise funds on behalf of a member of the domestic extreme-right terrorist group The Order who's due to be released from prison early next year.

Last Dec. 28, BANA members donned their national anarchist hoodies —emblazoned with "Smash All Dogmas" on the back and "New Right" on both sleeves — tied bandanas over their faces, unfurled a banner reading "Yes We Can, Bay Area National Anarchists" and joined a protest of several thousand against Israel's bombing of the Gaza Strip. Practicing full-blown entryism, they marched between groups carrying the Palestinian flag and the gay-pride flag, while shouting, "@!$%#, @!$%#, @!$%# Zionism!"

More recently, BANA members have started carrying a black flag with the letter Q in one corner. That's a reference to Yeoman's claim that his ancestors rode with Quantrill's Raiders, a notoriously violent pro-Confederate guerrilla outfit that battled for control of the border state of Missouri during the Civil War.

http://www.copblock.org/9777/cop-provocateurs-compromised-at-occupy-oakland/ yup!

It's nothing new either, it is a tried & true tactic that Law enforcement seems to be embracing in Western styled nations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve2t5dXQk4E

These next two videos show OWS protesters trying their best to stop the Black Block thugs from damaging stuff actually putting their own safety in jeopardy doing so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz22OvY6FTY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86XhCwHhwn8 - with no Police in sight just like at other events such as at G20 Summits where Anarchist seem to be allowed to go down streets breaking windows setting things on fire with Police doing nothing to stop them even when there are Police in sight - then groups of peaceful protesters are later attacked by Police, who give to the media as an excuse "previous violence by protesters" against the city and Police which allows the Police to use a heavy fist to stop such protest dead in their tracks w/o coming off as evil in the medias eyes.

With OWS Protest, it was/is provocateurs causing such trouble, not OWS protesters out there to protest the growing disparity between the rich and the poor while calling for greater social justice for all - such as this Oakland OWS video which was filmed on the exact same day as the above Oakland OWS Black Block destroying Whole Foods video http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=SyJmS1fmSos

The media showed absolutely none of this type of coverage, instead devoting all their coverage that night (and others) to the instances of destruction where strangely no Police were to be seen during the day allowing for public property destruction at a time when the video makes it obvious that OWS Protesters would have most likely welcomed Police intervention to stop the Black Block thugs. That exact night there were hundreds of riot geared Police in a small confined area/neighborhood confronting a small group of Black Block after the official OWS protest had ended and most all of the OWS protesters had left with the media there filming the "intense" stand off which involved molotov cocktails and strangely no reports of any anarchist or Police being injured http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/03/video-protesters-throw-molotov-cocktails-metal-pipes-at-police-in-occupy-oakland-protests/ - yet people passing through the neighborhood around the area who happened across a line of Police were treated like crap right of the bat!?! Hmmm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszQ4RmwdZM That was the same night as the Anarchist stand off, only a lill earlier in the evening as people were leaving, yet somehow no molotov cocktail throwing Black Block were injured by Police and vice versa later during the "intense" battle between "OWS" Black Block and Police!?! The Fox Video actually show protesters trying to put out fires the Black Block started while Fox is trying to paint them as so violent. The Fox video also speaks of a guy who got tired of a mass of protesters crossing a street which would obviously take at least 10 min or so if not longer, so he started pushing his way through the crowd posing a serious danger to everyone - a guy steps in front of him to stop him from advancing further into the crowd and the driver bumps him to prove he means biz at which point the protesters make it clear they mean biz too and are not going to let anyone through until everyone has passed the intersection (basic safety sense) and the driver chose to angrily thrust forward hitting people. Fox of course portrays it as an angry mob attacking citizens for no good reason!?!

What is interesting about this car hitting the OWS Protesters incident is that it happened on the same day during the same hours as the damage being done by Black Block with no Police in sight even though OWS Protesters themselves were desperately trying to stop Black Block and would have fairly obviously welcomed Police intervention to stop Black Block - Yet Police responded within minutes of the guy hitting the Protesters or the Protesters hitting the guys car (whatever POV you want to take). If Police can show up in no time at all to that, then where were they when Black Block was destroying public and private property for at least an hour or two straight as they slowly made their way down a very public street not trying to hide (other than covering their faces) or sneak around in the dark - right out in the open in broad daylight during business hours!?! It was a very planned march, the city knew there was an OWS march down to the Port of Oakland that day - Police had more than enough time to at least plan to be there!

The media is afraid of the true face of OWS, for some reason you just don't see this on TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=eOZ0fTOwvDk

Nobody needs "friends" like these. There are enough lies told about the actual OWS members without the false flag operators breaking the law unpunished and leaving the real protestors to take the blame and the heat.

Chuck, check Colorado Law. No permit needed for open carry. Many other states are the same.

You really shouldn't call someone a liar when its your own ignorance.

And the healthcare law will lead to all of what you wrote. It already is now shown to have us violating our religious beliefs, which isn't going to happen by the way, we will refuse this by the millions if not repealed or Overturned.

And really if you haven't heard of the rape, and all of the violence directly by the Ovvutards, may I suggest you try some other News Channels other than PMSNBC.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282993/occupy-wall-street-blotter-nathaniel-botwinick

11/17/11: 275 Arrested at Occupy Wall Street
Two hundred and seventy five protesters were arrested for attempting to storm Wall Street to shut down the stock exchange and for blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge. Seven police officers were injured, including one who was slashed with broken glass.

11/17/11: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Threaten Children
Occupy Wall Street protesters threatened small children, some as young as four, as they attempted to get to school. The children were forced to walk a gauntlet in between screaming protesters and the police as they attempted to reach their school. Some of the protesters yelled, "Follow those kids," and attempted to frighten their parents.

11/17/11: Police Evict Occupy DallasEighteen protesters were arrested as police evicted Occupy Dallas's encampment. Dallas authorities said the situation had become "untenable" after "the arrests of almost two dozen demonstrators for blocking the entrance to a bank, arrest of a participant charged with failing to register as a sex offender and sexual assault of a child after being accused of having sex with a 14-year-old runaway at the camp, arrests for assault and public intoxication and a 9-month-old child taken into protective custody after the parents were living the campsite with the child."

11/17/11: 14 Arrested for Blocking Bridge at Occupy St. Louis
Fourteen protesters were arrested at the entrance to the Martin Luther King Bridge in St. Louis. They were protesting in solidarity with other movements across the country. Uniformed members of the SEIU helped direct the protest. The protesters were joined by the Teamsters, United Autoworkers, American Postal Workers, and other union members.

11/16/11: 16 Arrested at Occupy Cincinnati Following Visit by Jesse Jackson
Sixteen protesters were arrested at Occupy Cincinnati following a visit by Rev. Jesse Jackson. Fifteen protesters were arrested for criminal trespassing, while two were also charged with resisting arrest. Lloyd Jordan, 36, of Clifton, Illinois, was charged with disorderly conduct while intoxicated and obstructing official business after he photographed a covert police vehicle, including the license plate. The second half of Jackson's speech was repeated by the crowd line by line: "It's not about a place . . . it's about a state of mind. We fight for jobs. . . . We fight for health care . . . We are determined . . .We are not going away. Move our tents . . . but not our spirit."

11/15/11: Police Shoot Gunman at Occupy Cal
Police shot a gunman who infiltrated Berkeley's Haas School of Business during major demonstrations at UC Berkeley. He was seen carrying a gun by a staff member in an elevator at the business school after 2 p.m. The police arrived at 2:19 p.m., and searched for the suspect in the building. Officers found the gunman in a third-floor computer room where there were at least four students. The suspect raised the gun and was shot by an officer. The protesters from Occupy Cal deny any affiliation with the man; there have been no statements from the police or the suspect so far regarding his views.

11/15/11: 5 Arrested at Occupy LA (Including for Assault and Masturbation)
Five people from the Occupy LA movement were charged on Tuesday with a variety of crimes. Farid Ahntab, 24, was charged with assault with a deadly weapon and resisting arrest for wielding a knife and as he tried to burn a food vendor. Robert Holland, Jr., 31, was charged with threatening someone with a knife and resisting arrest. Angele Chaidez, 21, has been charged with lewd conduct for allegedly masturbating on the steps of City Hall last week and exposing himself in public. Zachary Isaac, 21, was charged with battery for allegedly punching a woman in the face in her tent. Finally, Michael Howard Thomson, 51, was charged with two counts of battery and one count of resisting arrest. He tried to take a two-year-old from its parent and is accused of punching a mediator. Afterwards, he fought the officers who arrested him.

11/15/11: NYPD Clears Zuccotti Park, 200 Arrested
The New York Police Department moved in early this morning and cleared out the protesters from Occupy Wall Street. The protesters will be allowed to return to the park, but will not be allowed to bring tents or sleeping bags. The protesters fought with police officers for several hours, and there were injuries reported amongst both the police and the protesters.

11/13/11: Man Threatens Woman with Arson at Occupy Portland
Occupy Portland protester threatens to burn down the house of a woman who disagrees with him.

11/13/11: Three Men Arrested With Explosives in Connection to Occupy Portland
Three men from Occupy Portland were arrested during a traffic stop after officers suspected they had marijuana in their possession. Upon searching the vehicle, the drugs were discovered. The officers also found within the car firecrackers and two commercially made mortars inside glass canning jars. The three men "told authorities that they knew the canning jar would explode, causing glass shrapnel to fly and possibly cause injury."

11/12/11: Woman Raped at Occupy Philadelphia
A woman was raped at the Occupy Philadelphia encampment by a man who had traveled from Michigan to join the protest. The suspect had been arrested previously for involvement in armed robberies in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

11/10/11: "Send in the Clowns," Two Dressed as Clowns Arrested at Occupy Wall Street
Hannah Morgan and Louis Jargow were arrested for climbing the barricades surrounding the statue of the bull at Wall Street. They then performed a variety of antics before their arrest for disorderly behavior.

11/10/11: Occupy Atlanta Shelter Tests Positive for Tuberculosis
Several people at the Atlanta shelter have contracted tuberculosis. At least one of those infected has contracted the more dangerous, drug-resistant form of TB. The shelter is one of the largest encampments at Occupy Atlanta.

11/10/11: Six more arrests at Occupy Fresno
Six people were arrested last night in Fresno for failure to disperse. This brings the weekly total of arrests at Occupy Fresno to 55.

11/10/11: Sotheby's Also Targeted by Occupy Wall Street, 8 Arrested
Eight protesters were arrested for attempting to storm Sotheby's during its final sale of the fall season. They were there in support of the Teamsters union, which is currently engaged in a labor dispute with Sotheby's.

11/10/11: Man Shot to Death at Occupy Oakland
A young man was shot fatally in the head outside the Occupy Oakland gathering Thursday evening. There are still no suspects or leads in the case.

11/9/11: 39 Arrests at Berkeley
Thirty-nine people were arrested at Berkeley as part of OccupyCal. Protesters set up tents despite Chancellor Robert Birgeneau's request that they refrain. Thirty-two students and one faculty member were among those arrested. The majority of the arrests were for obstruction of justice or unlawful assembly. Two arrests were for assault and battery.

11/9/11: Occupy Wall Street Protester Assaults EMT
An EMT was injured at Occupy Wall Street. Joshua Ehrenberg, 20, of Rochester, NY, was arrested for felony assault and obstructing governmental administration for attacking the EMT. The EMT was injured when Mr. Ehrenberg's friends, in an attempt to prevent NYPD officers from assisting the EMT, fell on either a barricade or a ladder, which trapped the EMT underneath. The EMT suffered injuries to his ankle and knee.

11/9/11: Occupy Wall Street Protester Arrested for Public Lewdness
Xavier Maslowsky, 25, was arrested for exposing himself to others at Zuccotti Park.

11/9/11: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Arrested for Blocking Sidewalk with Square-Dance Lesson
A group of 50 protesters staged a square dance on the sidewalk around the plaza at Liberty and Cedar. The revelers were told repeatedly to disperse. Zachary Kamul, 25, was given two summonses for disorderly conduct and possession of a weapon when he refused to disperse. Sebastian Posada, 24, was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest when he attempted to run from police into the middle of Broadway.

11/5/11: Man Arrested at Occupy Wall Street for Urinating on an NYPD van
Edgar Rivera, 26, was arrested for relieving himself at 1:20 a.m. on an NYPD van. He attempted to escape, but was captured a half a block away. He was charged with disorderly conduct.

11/5/11: 19 Arrested at Occupy Atlanta
Protesters gathered in support of police pressure on Occupy Atlanta were subjected to arrests. Two were arrested for failing to leave Woodruff Park after the 11 p.m. close and 17 were arrested for obstructing traffic after leaving the park.

11/5/11: 20 Arrested at Occupy Wall Street
Most of the protesters were arrested for disorderly conduct, though three were arrested for assaulting a police officer. The incidents occurred at Foley Square in Lower Manhattan, near the New York State Court of Appeals. According to witnesses, police had asked the protesters to refrain from blocking the sidewalks and the stairs to the courthouse.

11/5/11: Woman arrested at Occupy LA for setting another person's clothes on fire
She was charged with suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon.

11/5/11: Woman arrested at Occupy LA for striking a man with a tent pole
She was charged with suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon.

11/4/11: Occupy Fort Carson Protester Arrested for $10 Million Arson
Benjamin Gilmore, 29, was arrested on suspicion of arson, burglary, and criminal mischief in connection to a fire on October 24 in a construction site.

11/4/11: Occupy Wall Street protester arrested for violence in McDonald's
Fisika Bezabeh rioted inside the McDonald's by Wall Street at 2 a.m., when workers refused to give him free food. He tore a credit card reader from the counter and threw it at employees. Mr. Bezabeh has been charged with criminal mischief.

11/4/11: Bronx Teacher Arrested for Assaulting Police
David Suker of Bronx Regional High School was arrested for knocking a police officer off his scooter using a shopping cart. He is charged with attempted assault, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and obstructing governmental administration. This is his second arrest; he was previously arrested during the October 1 march across the Brooklyn Bridge.

11/4/11: Occupy DC Attacks Americans for Prosperity event
Protesters attempted to storm the building where the AFP was holding a conference. Afterwards, they assaulted two elderly women, sending them to the hospital, and blockaded the streets surrounding the building.

11/3/11: 15 Arrested Outside Goldman Sachs
Fifteen protesters were arrested outside Goldman Sachs, including Christopher Hedges of The Nation Institute and Reverend Billy of the Church of Earthalajuh. The protesters staged a trial of Goldman Sachs executives and were arrested when they proceeded to sit and block the entrance to Goldman Sachs.

11/3/11: Occupy Oakland Riots
Riot police used tear gas and other methods to disperse Occupy Oakland rioters. The protesters lit barricades on fire, hurled rocks, explosives, and other projectiles at police. Massive acts of vandalism were committed against several banks. Several dozen were eventually arrested.

11/2/11: Occupy Philadelphia takes over Comcast Headquarters
Occupy Philadelphia protesters sat in Comcast's lobby and demanded repayment of its tax abatement. Nine were arrested for trespass.

11/2/11: Tonye Ikebutosin Arrested for Rape at Occupy Wall Street
A 26-year-old man from Crown Heights was arrested for the sexual assault and rape of a fellow Occupy Wall Street protester. He raped the 18-year-old woman after sharing a tent with her. He is also accused of sexually assaulting a 17-year-old woman after helping her set up her tent. Iketubosin has been working in the Occupy Wall Street kitchen.

10/27/11: 14 Arrested in NYC for March in Support of Occupy Oakland
Protesters took over the streets and marched through lower Manhattan, resulting in arrests for disorderly conduct, rioting, and resisting arrest.

10/25/11: 53 Arrests at Occupy Atlanta
Fifty-three people were arrested at Occupy Atlanta. Among those arrested was State Senator Vincent Fort. This was a reversal from the previous acceptance of Occupy Atlanta by Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed. Mayor Reed explained his decision by saying, "Occupy Atlanta protesters attempted to hold an unsanctioned concert over the weekend ... Last week, demonstrators inserted wire hangers into electrical sockets to create additional power sources ... [There has been] a persistent and dangerous disregard for public safety."

10/25/11: 75 Arrested During Attempted Clearing of Occupy Oakland
Police arrested 75 people while attempting to disperse the Occupy Oakland encampment.

10/23/11: David Park, serial sexual assaulter, arrested
David Park, who attempted to rape several women, was finally arrested by the NYPD. The women declined to press charges, but the NYPD held him on an open-container violation.

10/22/11: NYPD arrests 30 in OWS March in Harlem
Police arrested 30 protesters, including Cornel West, for blocking the entrance to the Harlem police precinct. The protesters were demonstrating against the NYPD's "stop and frisk" procedures.

10/14/11: 14 Arrested by NYPD in Marches Connected with Park Cleaning
Fourteen protesters arrested despite Mayor Bloomberg's decision to halt the cleaning of the park.

10/1/11: 700 Arrested for March Across the Brooklyn Bridge
Seven hundred Occupy Wall Street protesters were arrested for disorderly conduct and blocking vehicular traffic when they proceeded to block the roadway on the Brooklyn Bridge.

Publius 2012

And really if you haven't heard of the rape, and all of the violence directly by the Ovvutards, may I suggest you try some other News Channels other than PMSNBC.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282993/occupy-wall-street-blotter-nathaniel-botwinick

Can we take it that you are sincere with your logic, and as such consider the Catholic Church to be nothing but a group of no-good child rapist who do nothing but stick their dicks up childrens' asses in your eyes? After all some have & seem to do.

Are all humans evil because Hitler persecuted the Jews & because Israel persecutes the middle east/Palestinians?

Where do you draw the line exactly if you do?

Are all Police nothing but criminal thugs because of the Riders in Oakland or the group of Officers who were caught repeatedly stealing from and planting evidence on people in San Francisco recently?

It's not like Zionism where a primary core belief requires the oppression of others (to achieve a homeland already considered a home by others) - With OWS, raping people has nothing to do with the core beliefs of OWS - I think everyone including you and FauxNews viewers are at least smart enough to know that - the only reason such divisive propaganda is spewed calling OWS rapist thugs is used is to express pre-conditioned, pre-held bigoted beliefs about Liberals. It amazes me that even one person has managed to make the claim that OWS is violent with a straight face! Every hour of every day major crimes are committed in major cities - if you put a group of people in a down town area for days at a time they will be subjected to the same crime anyone else in the city is. When/if a women is raped in your town, the husband has no biz calling the whole town nothing but a bunch a racist, no? How then does a rape at an OWS Camp reflect on the entire movement rather than on the rapist?

According to this http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm rape in America spiked during George HW Bushs' Presidency - does that mean his legacy should be that he was the raping President?

These statistics apply to yours and my town probably too - does that make you & I rapist as well?

http://www.rapetraumaservices.org/rape-sexual-assault.html

Sexual Assault Prevalence
1.3 women (ages 18 and over) in the United States are forcibly raped each minute. That translates to 78 per hour, 1,871 per day, or 683,000 per year.
D.G. Kilpatrick, C.N. Edmunds, & A. Seymour. 1992. Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. Arlington VA: National Victim Center.

That's from 1992 - well before OWS...

The Second Amendment is a right, not a threat. Cops carry guns all the time and cops have no more rights than citizens do. There is no harm and no foul when a lawful American carries a firearm. It's paranoia that causes liberals to turn into gun grabbing weenies.

18 USC § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency

Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871

Threatening to kill the president is a felony. Unless the host of the party buys off the right authorities. Then it becomes a party game. "Charades, pin the tail on the donkey, threaten to kill the president."

At least they're coming by the donations honestly instead of raiding Union Dues from working stiffs without their permission or approval to get anti-business Democrats into office. Besides, a thousand dollars isn't that much money really.

And that isn't bribery...how?

Nobody protesting is okay. All protesting is a despicable act which I hate and oppose no matter what the cause. Protestors are all criminals and they all need to be thrown under the jail.

Even when it is Tea Party rallies? Did you want to visit harm on the proto-Tea Party members disrupting Health care Town Hall meetings? So you don't actually believe in free speech and the first amendment?

Publius, you would have believed what the authorities and newspapers said in the South regarding the arrest beating and murders of freedom riders in the South during the Civil Rights Movement. When it suits their purpose, authorities lie. And its not hard to find instances on that list that look like good old fashioned fascism or law enforcement over-reach. The stock exchange is the biggest casino in the world. All the cops of New York, but the white shirts especially, are that casino's security and enforcers.

And iof you want to get real about it. Given the numbers of people involved, it could easily have devovlved into Mad Max urban survival time with wide spread riots and arson. Occupiers are so sweet by comparison. Not like they were in England, if you want a comparison. How many cars have been burned? Stores looted?

Rapes and misbehavior? No doubt. You don't have to have any number of people involved before there is trouble. All of history and every newspaper headline is a testament to that. But for what it is, its not bad.

You want they should make like Tea Party, go home get guns and ammo and assert their 2nd amendment rights? Its all the same 2nd amendment, applies to Occupiers no less than Tea Partiers. We are all American here.

Correction from #7.23 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:29 PM PST: When/if a women is raped in your town, the husband has no biz calling the whole town nothing but a bunch a racist rapist, no? How then does a rape at an OWS Camp reflect on the entire movement that is world wide, rather than on the rapist?

As for guns, even the NRA would not/should not have a problem with a person(s) walking around with a properly maintained holstered gun that is not loaded and with safety on - for some towns it might even be legal to have ones' weapon loaded as well with the NRA not having a problem with that either. The Problem that even the NRA should have, muchless everyone else, is when the above is combined with signs that talk of watering the tree of liberty and of armed overthrow of a fairly elected Democratic Gov of which there was no reported much proven widespread voter fraud - only because R's/teabagers don't/didn't like the outcome.

Wow. Its amazing how someone can miss something the first time and what a difference it makes.

Cops carry guns all the time and cops have no more rights than citizens do. There is no harm and no foul when a lawful American carries a firearm.

Incredible. Cops carry a badge along with that gun. That badge shields them from the law, making misdemeanors out of what would otherwise be felonies anywhere else. Do you think you have the same rights as a cop? Test that theory. We'll hear about you in the new and laugh at what a dumb-ass you are.

As for no-harm and no foul. Tell that to Gabby Giffords, the the survivors of that shooting and everyone who lost family and friends there. That gun and the clip were both legally bought.

That's okay though. The person most likely to get killed by your gun is yourself or a family member. Enjoy.

Another correction: The Problem that even the NRA should have [with R's carrying guns at political events or anywhere else], muchless everyone else, is when the above is combined with signs that talk of watering the tree of liberty and of armed overthrow of a fairly elected Democratic Gov of which there was no reported much proven widespread voter fraud if any at all - only because R's/teabagers don't/didn't like the outcome.

There is nothing to be proud of about saying you are willing to kill someone because they did not vote as you did. There are very real reasons for such self-defense, and assuring your way in the ballot booth so that universal health care is not enacted and to maintain status quo tax levels for the wealthy is not one of them - at least not an honorable one...

This was/is on a Breitbart site, it is a good example of how dull FauxNews viewers really are - it was used on their right wing extremist sites as an example of how dumb OWS Protesters are. I'm not sure, but I think when looking at it FauxNews viewers actually see what Breitbart wanted them to see, while I would hope everyone else sees a wanna-be Russian guy trying to play out a poorly planed script with a couple fake protesters until a real OWS Protester steps in and tries to ask a couple questions which the guy with camera is simply not prepared for making a quick exit as not to come off as full of @!$%# - yet somehow I think Breitbart/FauxNews viewers got what was intended by Breitbart from it :(

http://www.breitbart.tv/former-soviet-citizen-confronts-socialists-at-occupy-wall-street/

It doesn't seem to matter how fake the propaganda is anymore, it's just automatically eaten up! It's amazing how pre-conditioned their audiences are!

Acorn is an even greater glaring example! Many still insist Acorn tried to help child sex traffickers even though the women in the video seen discussing the matter called Police right after to inform them of what she had just experienced and who with!?! But Acorn is still all criminal in their eyes rather than the scum bag James O-Keefe or Breitbart for lying to them (the audience).

Chuck, check Colorado Law. No permit needed for open carry. Many other states are the same.

You really shouldn't call someone a liar when its your own ignorance.

aw , an attempt at deflection. WHERE did this happen? In New Hampshire. So Colorado l;aw doesnt apply does it.

There is not one shred of evidence any one raped anybody or that OWS threatened children, You right wingers lie with zero conscience , their is a name for people like that , they are called sociopaths.

Ill bet every one of your sources are from the damned lying Conservative sites. no one can believe a word you say. you haven't even attempted to prove all the health care lies you all perpetrated during the health care debates.

Gee I wonder why that is? lolol c'mon SHOW US THE PROOF !

There is not one shred of evidence any one raped anybody or that OWS threatened children, You right wingers lie with zero conscience , their is a name for people like that , they are called sociopaths.

Showed you the @!$%#ing evidence. Then you say not one shred.

You left wingers lie and then won't admit when your ass is taken to school like I just did yours lol. the is a name for people like that, it's called losers.

See, two can play the @!$%#ing game you started, only your not very good at it.

Detracking. Can only take so much of the loony left.

Chapter 1

As the Cold War ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of

Soviet communism in 1989, the Army was no longer concerned with

containing the aggressive Soviet Union. The US Army began to transform

because the battlefield on which it would fight had changed. Operations

Just Cause, Joint Endeavor, Desert Shield, and Desert Storm have all

been recognized as containing nontraditional battlefields. Following these

operations, the Army was called upon to conduct peacekeeping, peace

enforcement, and humanitarian assistance operations. These operations

required US forces to protect refugees and humanitarian workers and

keep hostile factions separate to enforce peace.

1-1. In these modern times, demonstrations, civil unrest, public disorder, and

riots happen for a number of reasons. Some of these reasons are economic

hardships, social injustices, ethnic differences (leading to oppression),

objections to world organizations or certain governments, political grievances,

and terrorist acts. An event can be triggered by a single cause or a

combination of causes. For example, operations in the Balkans involving civil

unrest and riots were the result of ethnic hatred, a lack of civil authority, food

shortages, a revolution, and religious-based fighting factions.

1-2. Demonstrations may range from simple, nonviolent protests that address

specific issues, to events that turn into full-scale riots. Gatherings in protest

are recognized rights of any person or group, regardless of where US forces

may be operating. This fundamental right is protected under the

. During peacekeeping or peace enforcement

operations, US forces should never violate basic civil or human rights. Most

protesters are law-abiding citizens who intend that their protests be

nonviolent, but some protest planners insist that the event involve some kind

of violence. Often, in the media, protesters can gain sympathy for their cause

by prompting authorities to take physical action against them. Violence is

often the result of demonstrators beginning to conduct unlawful or criminal

acts and authorities (who are responsible for the safety and welfare of all)

enforcing the laws of the municipality, state, or nation. The depth of violence

is determined by the willingness of demonstrators to display and voice their

opinions in support of their cause.

1-3. Commanders must be aware of the possibility that some individuals or

groups within an organized demonstration may have the intent to cause

disruption, incite violence, destroy property, and provoke the authorities. The

tactical situation and actions of the crowd should dictate control and

enforcement options. Agitators and criminal infiltrators within the crowd can

Operational Threats of the Civil Disturbance Environment

1-2 FM 3-19.15 18 April 2005

lead to the eruption of violence. Inciting a crowd to violence or a greater

intensity of violence through the use of brutish enforcement tactics should be

avoided. Publicity can be detrimental to authorities and beneficial to crowds

because it can further their causes.

1-4. Community unrest results in urban conflicts that arise from highly

emotional social and economic issues. Economically deprived inner city

residents may feel that they are treated unjustly or ignored by people in power

and authority. Tensions can build quickly in a community over a variety of

issues, such as hunger, poor employment opportunities, inadequate

community services, poor housing, and labor issues. Tension in these areas

creates the potential for violence. When tensions are high, it takes a small

(seemingly minor) incident, rumor, or act of injustice to ignite groups within a

crowd to riot and act violently. This is particularly true if community relations

with authorities are part of the problem.

1-5. Significant ethnic differences in a community can create an atmosphere

of distrust, even hatred. Unrest among ethnic groups competing for jobs,

living areas, and sparse essentials can cause an eruption of civil disorder and/

or riots. As emotions run high, violence becomes likely.

1-6. Terrorist organizations may infiltrate groups within a demonstrating

crowd. These terrorist groups may intend to embarrass their government or

other governments. Terrorist infiltrators can be used to provoke crowds as a

diversion, as part of a demonstration, or as cover for terrorist acts.

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-15.pdf

Army Manual: Civil Disturbance Operations

Threatening to kill the president is a felony. Unless the host of the party buys off the right authorities. Then it becomes a party game. "Charades, pin the tail on the donkey, threaten to kill the president."

Nobody threatened to kill the President. The quote came from patriots who loosened the vile grip of Mad King George on the Colonies, and do you know what King George III died of? Rheumatism, the bastard was stricken cursed with rheumatism and insanity by God for his crimes against humanity.

And that isn't bribery...how?

You can't bribe somebody with a lousy $1,000 these days. A Senator makes $174,000 per year, so $1,000 is all of a half a week's pay. It's a joke, a pittance, and far too picayune an amount to be categorized as bribery.

Even when it is Tea Party rallies? Did you want to visit harm on the proto-Tea Party members disrupting Health care Town Hall meetings? So you don't actually believe in free speech and the first amendment?

I hate all protests and all rallies as disturbing the peace and unlawful behavior inciting to riot.

Damned protesters tick me off and I hate their noise. Despicable rabble rousers, how I despise them and their ilk.

Incredible. Cops carry a badge along with that gun. That badge shields them from the law, making misdemeanors out of what would otherwise be felonies anywhere else. Do you think you have the same rights as a cop? Test that theory. We'll hear about you in the new and laugh at what a dumb-ass you are.

The badge is no shield from any law. Cops who break the law are busted worse than anyone else, for example this cop got stopped for a DUI. He's in a whole heap of trouble, and that badge of his is as good as gone.

As for no-harm and no foul. Tell that to Gabby Giffords, the the survivors of that shooting and everyone who lost family and friends there. That gun and the clip were both legally bought.

No, that gun was not legally bought. Jared Loughner was a marijuana abuser, which means that in order to purchase firearms he had to commit perjury on BATF Form 4473 line 11e which SPECIFICALLY STATES that no one who has ever used marijuana at any point in their lifetimes is allowed to purchase guns legally in the USA.

That's okay though. The person most likely to get killed by your gun is yourself or a family member. Enjoy.

I've owned a gun since I got a Ruger 10/22 for a present on my 8th Birthday. In 40 years of owning guns, I've never put a hole in anything that I wasn't trying to put a hole in. There is no such thing as an accidental shooting, only stupid ones. I don't believe in the myth of the unloaded gun.

Showed you the @!$%#ing evidence. Then you say not one shred.

Like I said the police brought most of that on themselves by illegally trying to disburse a peacefully assembled protest. I dont give a flying F*ck if they asked them to leave, they had no authority to do so. The women who were allegedly raped declined to press charges, gee I wonder why? possibly because they werent raped? Selective law enforcement is the problem here. Those T bags should be arrested. and you still havent answered the question .

Would you be ok with OWS bringing guns to their protests?

Now explain why a Tea bag brings a gun to a Town Hall? What message is he/she trying to send?

They are saying we are prepared to use violence if we dont get our way. The are not wearing them as a fashion statement , they do not wear them on a regular basis. Violence is the tea Bag way.

Cops who break the law are busted worse than anyone else

LOL thats a hoot and a bunch of bullsh*t. I have literally THOUSANDS of examples as I have been working to shed the light on the reality of who MOST of the police, these supposed "heroes " really are since 2007.

Anthony Abate beat the hell out of a 90 lb woman bar tender who cut the drunken 300 lber off. she reported it and nothing happened to him. His fellow officers threatened her if she took it public , she did any way. Anthony is still on the police force, got a slap on the wrist an a paid vacation during the investigation.

And another cop was accused of threatening a woman with arrest if she didn’t perform oral sex on him while he was on duty and in uniform. Twice in one night. Jonathan D. Sanders pleaded no contest to “unlawful compensation” last year and served a mere 60 days in jail. The victim is now suing. In the case of Sanders, police left blank his place of employment when filling out the police report. They also allowed him to listen in on a call between officers and the man who reported the incident.

A rookie police officer accused of slamming a 10-year-old boy against his cruiser for skateboarding in the street has received a two-day suspension and been ordered to attend anger management classes. Officer David Rodriguez, 25, declined to comment through his lawyer. But in December he told internal affairs investigator Sgt. Kelly Drum the boy never made contact with his patrol car, according to newly released records.

Police engage in domestic violence 40% MORE than the rest of the civilian population , yet they get anger management classes and then threaten their wives or kill them, Number of years on the job was not correlated with spousal abuse, they are just aholes who are hardly even punished for their crimes.

Crystal Brame, wife of Tacoma Police Chief David Brame, was killed as many women are because officer buds refused to bust these arrogant aholes on their forces.

When she told him the violence needed to stop, he challenged her, asking, “Who are you going
to call? One of my buddies?” When she did report him to the police, her fears were dismissed,
and the City Manager prevented an investigation by internal affairs.

When a journalist reported her allegations, the
president of the Tacoma police union threatened the writer.

Sandra Maseda was killed by her police-officer husband in a 2004
murder-suicide in Florida, and Laurie Barnicoat was killed by her police-officer ex-husband in 2003 in Florida.
Women to Arms!, No Longer Afraid . . . No Longer Alive!, at http://womentoarms.net/no_longer.html (last updated
June 23, 2004). In addition, Sandra Maloney was killed in 1999 by her Green Bay, Wisconsin, estranged husband,
who was a police detective; Maria Martinez was shot to death by her husband, a Border Patrol officer in El Paso,
Texas; Lori Stanley was killed by her police-officer ex-boyfriend in a 2004 Nashville, Tennessee, murder-suicide;
and Kerry Repp was killed by her husband, an Oregon State Trooper. Jenny Miller’s Photos, at
http://flickr.com/photos/police_dv/page3/ (last updated Mar. 22, 2005).

These women all reported their husbands and NOT ONE officer helped them. They were too interested in helping out their buddies in blue.

again gene , you havent a clue what you are talking about.

Say Gene. Fun little experiment for you to try.

Cops carry guns all the time and cops have no more rights than citizens do. There is no harm and no foul when a lawful American carries a firearm.

Yous still believe that? If you are right then nothing will happen. They'll call you a goddamn hero.

Shoot someone. Publically. In cold blood. Plead that you were forced to fire when the victim - except you call him a suspect - fled after resisting a citizen's arrest.

Do it. They'll problably give you a badge and make you on honorary cop.

Or at least a shave. Never trust a man with a beard. Bearded men have never turned out to be any good.

really gene? Lincoln? Jesus?

Lincoln killed more Americans than any man in history, and Jesus was executed for treason.

Lincoln stopped white southerners racists from killing and abusing people, those southerners insisted on starting a war and got themselves killed over their insistence that they should be allowed to own other people and do no work themselves (a typical Conservative view point today). and Jesus died at the hands of killers who were greedy power mongers, he was peaceful.

Both fought against evil, a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

I was thinking of growing a nice goatee, but MG's debating skills have convinced me it is untrustworthy.

I just read that Mean Gene carried a bible, I do not know why because apparently he does not read it because he said Jesus killed because he was a traitor and had a beard! I say a traitor to whom? Apparently he did not like the fact that Lincoln stopped the south from seceding from the union and freed the slaves!

Lincoln stopped white southerners racists from killing and abusing people, those southerners insisted on starting a war and got themselves killed over their insistence that they should be allowed to own other people and do no work themselves (a typical Conservative view point today)

There's nothing racist about slavery. Practically every race on Earth has been enslaved at some time or another. Jews were slaves centuries before Blacks ever got the gig.

Nobody killed slaves anyway. It doesn't even make sense to waste money buying a slave just to kill him.

Lincoln flat out said he'd keep slavery legal if the Southern States wouldn't secede from the Union. The war of Northern Aggression wasn't even about slavery, but about states rights and the Northern States holding dictatorial powers over the sparsely populated southern States.

and Jesus died at the hands of killers who were greedy power mongers, he was peaceful.

Jesus wasn't peaceful. He told thousands of people that he's going to send them straight to Hell. How peaceful is that?

Poor little Genie. He's obviously a 12 year old boy in his mother's basement. She let's him be on the computer for an hour day. He feels so helpless that he uses that time to come on here and rant and try to sound like a big boy. But like most 12 year olds what he has to say is all immature talk and bluster, much noise signifying exactly nothing. I kind of feel sorry for him, actually. I can't imagine what it would be like to be so filled with impotent rage. Emphasis on the impotent part. It seems that his biggest thrill of the day is thinking up the most outrageous crap he can to post in the hopes of some attention. It's sad. I think some therapy is really in order here. I'm sure it would only take 4-5 years of intensive treatment to bring him around. Perhaps we could start a group for him and his playmates. /s

I truly can't wait to hear what he comes up with next. He's my best laugh of the day! Will he threaten me with his big gun? Will he assume I'm a liberal and call me some stupid name he's made up? Ooooooh I'm all a twitter just thinking about what the clever boy will say next!

Poor little Genie.

I'm not poor. I make six figures per year. Apparently you're unaware how well communications engineers get paid.

He's obviously a 12 year old boy in his mother's basement.

My mother doesn't have a basement. Almost no one in Arizona has a basement. It's not common building practice in the Sonoran Desert.

She let's him be on the computer for an hour day.

Which one? I've got three computers running at any given time, and most of them have twin screens.

He feels so helpless that he uses that time to come on here and rant and try to sound like a big boy. But like most 12 year olds what he has to say is all immature talk and bluster, much noise signifying exactly nothing. I kind of feel sorry for him, actually. I can't imagine what it would be like to be so filled with impotent rage.

Of course I'm impotent. I paid good money for my vasectomy because I despise kids and I'd be ticked off if it didn't work after getting my gonads sliced up.

Emphasis on the impotent part. It seems that his biggest thrill of the day is thinking up the most outrageous crap he can to post in the hopes of some attention. It's sad. I think some therapy is really in order here. I'm sure it would only take 4-5 years of intensive treatment to bring him around. Perhaps we could start a group for him and his playmates. /s

I wouldn't be a part of any group at all. I was raised to avoid communism because commies suck.

I truly can't wait to hear what he comes up with next.

I'm not like a liberal. I don't read out loud, so you're not going to hear anything.

OOOOOOOH, six figure income and multiple computers with, wait for it, TWIN SCREENS!! Wow, way to come back. I'd try to act impressed if I wasn't too busy trying to simultaneously laugh and yawn. That's not really easy to do, you know! :o)

But keep trying Genie. Just curious, when you had your vastectomy are you sure they were cutting off stuff around the correct head?? I can agree with one thing--not having kids was probably a good decision! I know it was for me.

And please keep it up. You do crap me up! You're a classic.

I'm not poor. I make six figures per year. Apparently you're unaware how well communications engineers get paid.

Yes we can all lie on the internet Gene. I suppose you have the looks of Adonis and drive a Ferrari too.

I make an eight figure salary, I'm an engineer and a lawyer and a doctor.

Yes we can all lie on the internet Gene. I suppose you have the looks of Adonis and drive a Ferrari too.

I wouldn't drive a Ferrari. They don't allow their cars to be used in the Need For Speed video games.

Well now THAT I believe. You sit around all day in mom's basement playing video games.

It seems to me that the ones out to grab things they've got no right to are the OWS wealth redistributionist drum-thumpers.

Their gig is to claim that money is in pockets other than theirs, and what's their solution to this perceived injustice? They want their own pockets filled too! That's really what they're after.

They want student loans 'forgiven' which basically means they'd like free money. They justify this desire for free money by claiming that the "1%" has it so they should get it too.

OWS wants 'jobs' but the thing about jobs is they require qualifications (which is why people get student loans). These goofballs go to college and get degrees in stupid crap like Women's History and then wonder why they can't find jobs as Women's Historians.

The main cause of wealth inequality is stupidity, not greed. If you're poor in the USA then the only way that happened is you did something terminally dumb. You got a useless degree in liberal arts, you went to a protest and got an arrest record, or you hung out with dopers and failed a drug test.

There's no injustice in smart people being richer than dumb ones. That's just Darwinism.

The main reason for wealth inequality is the have nots have been subsidizing the haves. How does one explain the income levels remaining, basically, stagnant for the 99%, yet have risen, in some charts, as much as 275% over the last 30 years. Wealth isn't the problem here, folks. It's the underhanded, sleazy, manipulative way the haves have gotten it. The right has been raping the Country for decades. Stacking the deck in their favor. Yet, as seen here, there are those who are determined to continue the BS, not realizing many, if not most protesting DO have jobs. Haven't heard of anyone wanting student loans "forgiven". They want the loans given fairly. NOT issued thru "middle-men" who jack interest rates up to line their pockets.

With a bit of research....even a guy carrying a big gun might learn something.

The main reason for wealth inequality is the have nots have been subsidizing the haves.

If they're "the have nots" then they couldn't subsidize anything or anyone. Blood from a turnip is the phrase that comes to mind. It's rather pointless to rob the poor.

How does one explain the income levels remaining, basically, stagnant for the 99%, yet have risen, in some charts, as much as 275% over the last 30 years.

I know exactly why, but you won't want to hear it.

The causative factor was the "war on poverty" which created a social "safety net" and made poverty far more comfortable than it ought to be. Entire generations used this "safety net" as a hammock, and leading social indicators show the disaster.

Since 1960, violent crime has increased by 560%, the number of unmarried teenagers has more than doubled, the number of divorces have more than doubled and marriage is at an all time low.

Why? The safety net/hammock has largely replaced Fathers in the home with Checks in the Mailbox signed with love from Uncle Sam. The resulting breakdown of the nuclear family created an unraveling of the basic building block of society, leading to an epidemic of broken homes. Tonight in America, nearly 2 out of 3 children will sleep in a household with only one parent.

The cause of poverty is the subsidizing of poverty which began under Lyndon Johnson. If the government wants more oil, then it subsidizes oil production. If the government wants more clean water, then it subsidizes water treatment facilities. If the government wants more green energy, then it subsidizes green energy production.

So, what would the government do if it wanted more poverty? Why, it would subsidize poverty, of course, and that's exactly what happened and the results we got.

Try to catch on----If the have nots income hasn't increased in 30 years and the haves has, where to do you think the difference is coming from? Could it be the "haves" haven't been compensating those who work for a living fairly? Or perhaps the haves haven't been taxed at the same rate as the have nots.

I, and millions like me, have worked our entire lives. I've never received one un-employment check. Never had a food stamp in my hand. Yet my income, just as millions of others, hasn't seen the growth as those in the upper income brackets. Where as during the time of the '50's and '60's, when taxes were much higher, income parity was much closer, the economy was thriving. A time when one income could support a family, and the "nuclear" family was strong and in tact.

The one-parent situation was brought on, primarily, because republican State General Assemblys enacted the no-fault divorce laws. Looking at statistic, one would see that the divorce rates took a huge jump after the early '70's when these laws began sweeping the land. Thus, forcing the one parent to go to work, instead of rearing their children, creating the "unraveling" of the "basic building block of society". Many fathers failed to meet their obligations to their children, (one republican representative comes to mind). Making matters worse.

If the Government wants clean water....it tells a company to quit @!$%#ting in it. If it wants green energy production where there isn't any, it gets the ball rolling with support.

Give an honest example of where the Government has shown it wants "more poverty".

The wealthy wants more tax breaks. Is willing to pay for it by cutting social services, ergo, is willing to let the poor and elderly "subsidize" their well being. Get a clue.

Try to catch on----If the have nots income hasn't increased in 30 years and the haves has, where to do you think the difference is coming from? Could it be the "haves" haven't been compensating those who work for a living fairly? Or perhaps the haves haven't been taxed at the same rate as the have nots.

You're only looking at income, which is problematic because it doesn't tell but one side of the story. Jobs in the USA are easier than ever before and easier jobs aren't worth as much as tougher ones.

For example, taxi drivers now have GPS and their dispatchers have computer aided dispatching systems. They don't work nearly as hard as taxi drivers used to before technology made their jobs into a cakewalk.

Receptionists have computerized scheduling, cops have mobile data terminals and ALPRS (automatic license plate recognition systems) doing half their job, mailmen have automatic sorting equipment, cashiers just scan barcodes while a computer tallies the bill and inventories are taken with handheld scanners.

Americans aren't working nearly as hard as they used to, so why should they get more money for what is arguably less work?

Give an honest example of where the Government has shown it wants "more poverty".

Oh, that's easy! The poverty level, as defined by the United Nations, is living on $2 or less per day. I can agree that's poor. What I cannot agree with is the United States Census declaring that $14,000 per year is "poverty". A man making 4 sawbucks a day is NOT POOR.

The US Government, in a twisted attempt to count as many people as "poor" as they possibly can, have defined poverty at a level TWENTY TIMES HIGHER THAN THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD.

Even that's not enough for this lunatic government, so they overdefine welfare needs (medicaid, food stamps, etc) as 130% of the poverty level just to boost the numbers of people they can call "needy" and throw money at them in exchange for getting their votes bought and paid for.

The wealthy wants more tax breaks.

Of course they do. So do I. Everybody should want tax breaks, and since the government is wasting money on stupid crap like calling people poor who aren't anything of the sort, there's plenty of reason to expect tax breaks.

Is willing to pay for it by cutting social services, ergo, is willing to let the poor and elderly "subsidize" their well being. Get a clue.

Social services should be cut. Social engineering is anathema in a nation where all men are created equal and all men should be treated equally. So long as there's one person in the USA who doesn't get a welfare check, NOBODY in the USA should get a welfare check. Equality is an absolute.

Jobs are easier than ever before.......So, since Romney and many of his ilk, actually, don't work at all, they shouldn't be getting the uber low tax break they are getting.

$40.00 a day won't even pay rent. Let alone food, utilities, etc. Get real.

All mean are created equal----------All mean should be treated equally. Again, tax the wealthy the same as every other working person. Eliminate all tax loop holes. All off-shore tax havens.

If a man cant take care of himself, why does he think someone else should be required to do it for him? Drop out of school, get knocked up at 16, get busted for drugs, and yes, your life is probably going to suck, but its not up to someone else who didnt do those things to make sure your life doesnt suck by giving you part of what they earned. You arent entitled to a share of mine anymore than Im entitled to a share of yours.

Jobs are easier than ever before.......So, since Romney and many of his ilk, actually, don't work at all, they shouldn't be getting the uber low tax break they are getting.

Rich people are the only ones paying taxes in this world so rich people are the only ones who deserve tax breaks.

$40.00 a day won't even pay rent. Let alone food, utilities, etc. Get real.

I know a trailer park not too far from my house where you can live in a mobile home for $300 per month. That would leave you $30 per day to party like a Kennedy with. Beggars, as they say, can't be choosers.

All mean are created equal----------All mean should be treated equally. Again, tax the wealthy the same as every other working person. Eliminate all tax loop holes. All off-shore tax havens.

I'd be all for that. One of the best things Ronald Reagan did was to gut tax deductions for credit card interest, auto loan interest and other stupid deductions which rewarded getting into debt. I'd kill every single deduction for every single reason, including the personal exemption, the earned income credit, the mortgage deductions, ALL deductions, every last stinking one of them.

Of course, the poor would scream out in agony, but that's a good thing. I want taxes to hurt them just as much as they hurt me. My pain should be their pain.

MeanGene-3334839, love your hilarious comments, you are on a roll.

They knew they weren't going to be changing any hearts and minds with their antics.

Right wing Fascists have no hearts and no minds to change.

They're so far removed from everything Republicans believe in that they'd have found a better use for their time and effort in trying to teach pigs to sing.

The Republicans have no conviction. their idea of family values is adultery. their other beliefs consist of lying, deception, greed and war.

Occupy protesters wouldn't know the US Constitution from a Taco Bell menu.

Wanna have fun with those would-be patriots? Ask them what the Fourth Amendment in the Bill Of Rights says. You won't get one right answer out of those public-education muttonheads.

The Fourth Amendment is the one against illegal search and seizure. I almost forgot that there are liberals on here and the US Constitution wards them off like garlic to a vampire.

Occupy protesters could not pass a citizenship test. I could, but I'm a ringer because I teach it to Vietnamese refugees. I know all the answers off the top of my head.

Except the 1st ammendment right to assemby and redress of grievances. Or how racial profiling, stop and frisk, Driving While Black or Brown, Az1070 and clones, or the domestic espionage provisions of the Patriot Act (which the telecommunications industry was cheerfully complicit in playing along with for a pat on the head by Bush,) or drug testing for public assistance all violate 4th amendment unreasonable search and seizure.

And still ignorant on what fascist and jihadist means before a nobody like myself plugged that hole in your ignorance.

Clearly you are absolutely fine with fascism when it is the RIGHT people violating the Bill of Rights.

But then you also believe that a person's political affiliation changes on whether or not they decide pick up a razor that day.

You aren't smart enough to be eccentric. You are just a wealthy dumb-ass.

Do bullets really taste like cherry candy? Eat one and tell us.

For someone who hates protesters, MeanGene, you sure protest a lot.

That's ridiculous. I've never been to a protest in all my born days. I'm not that stupid.

Trouble is, you only got three votes so far. Way less than the protesters.

I wasn't aware that I was trying to win a popularity contest. If I'd have known, then I'd have worn a better shirt and my dress wristwatch.

Judges shouldn't be handing out money to political parties, period.

Their job doesn't preclude their participation in the electoral process. If you're going to make that argument, then I think Welfare recipients shouldn't be allowed to vote because they've got an inherent fiduciary interest in getting bleeding heart Democrats elected to boost their bennies.

I wonder though if any of them got some bucks handed to them under the table, just to make a few decisions ? Naw. Judges don't do that. They go duck hunting with the former Vice President, instead.

That wasn't a Judge with Cheney, that was a lawyer and a stupid hunter by any standard. When you're out hunting, then basic safety requires that you not get in between other hunters and game.

This from the LA times,

Trip With Cheney Puts Ethics Spotlight on Scalia

Friends hunt ducks together, even as the justice is set to hear the vice president's case.

January 17, 2004|David G. Savage | Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia spent part of last week duck hunting together at a private camp in southern Louisiana just three weeks after the court agreed to take up the vice president's appeal in lawsuits over his handling of the administration's energy task force.

While Scalia and Cheney are avid hunters and longtime friends, several experts in legal ethics questioned the timing of their trip and said it raised doubts about Scalia's ability to judge the case impartially.

Now go drink your cactus juice MG. It wasn't Scalia that got shot.

And basic safety is you VERIFY your target..gangsta!

Yellow, are you truly assuming that you'll get an answer that involves actual thought?? :o)

MeanGene-3334839 what would you think of protesters who disguise themselves, break into other peoples property and destroy their property?

Let's not pussyfoot around here. You're describing the Boston Tea Party which is a despicable act I disagree with because it threatened to get innocent people blamed for the crime and duly killed for it.

The disguises were of Indians (native Americans if you want to be PC about it) and the hopes were that the disguises would get the Indians blamed, thereby causing the Redcoats to embark on a killing spree of innocent Tribes and the 'protestors' would play one side against the other, not caring who kills whom over their misdeeds.

If the redcoats got killed by Indians, great! If the Indians got killed by redcoats, OH WELL!!!

It was a disgusting act of cowardice and an atrocity which was one of many cases of colonists mistreating Indians.

"On December 16 1773, a group of 30 to 130 men, some of them thinly disguised as Mohawk Indians, boarded the three vessels and, over the course of three hours, dumped all 342 chests of tea into the water."

Samuel Adams defended the action as that of people of principle, rather than a mob, and the last option they had to defend their rights. They owned the action from the start, and at Ben Franklin's behest, some colonial tea merchants even offered to make good the ship owners' losses. (It was refused.) Doesn't sound like anybody much was fooled by a few bad disguises, nor that anyone was trying to frame any Native Americans.

James Essayist, thanks for answering MG, I was reading the same material you were and lost my way back. I f you noticed, Mg successfully diverted and did not answer the question. What did he think of the protesters? What I wanted Mg to realize is not all protests are bad.

Samuel Adams defended the action as that of people of principle, rather than a mob, and the last option they had to defend their rights.

I don't care what Sam Adams defended it as. Tea is a luxury item, 100% a luxury item and not a necessity. The tax on tea was appropriately levied and Mad King George, wrong in many things, was not in the wrong in that case. Luxury taxes are not tyrannical acts.

Doesn't sound like anybody much was fooled by a few bad disguises, nor that anyone was trying to frame any Native Americans.

Disguises, bad or not, are acts of cowardice. That's one of my pet peeves concerning union representation. A man who has the right to speak should have the courtesy, courage and responsibility to own up for what he says.

I believe this: Rights and Responsibilities are two sides of the same coin. One side of a coin cannot exist without the obverse and so Rights cannot exist in the absence of Responsibilities. You cannot have a right to reproduce without a responsibility to raise your kids. You cannot have a right to vote without a responsibility to know what you're voting for.

Cowardice, disguises and anonymity are anathema to rights. The tea party story disgusts me, as do the Guy Fawkes masks of OWS. Cowards cannot hold rights for long.

Mg successfully diverted and did not answer the question. What did he think of the protesters? What I wanted Mg to realize is not all protests are bad.

I said exactly what I thought of the protesters. I think they're worthless cowards who have no courage of their convictions and no intention of answering for what they believe in or fixing the problems they whine about.

Do you know why CEO's are worth big money? It's called responsibility. The CEO is willing to put his ass on the line and tell investors that he can make a company successful.

Take Steven Spielberg, for example. He's a famous movie director, and venture capitalists can't wait to throw money at the guy exactly why? Because when he says he can turn a movie into a box office blockbuster worth over $100 Million, he's not freaking kidding. He can do that. That's why he gets the responsibility, and the job, and the commensurate pay.

Protesters disgust me. They're pushing off responsibility and that just ticks me off. The protesters are all about "SOMEBODY SHOULD DO SOMETHING" while accepting zero responsibility for the job themselves. This is why I find liberalism to be such madness.

Do you know what the difference is between wanting somebody to something, and accepting responsibility for doing something yourself is? It's the difference between liberalism and conservatism, and I'm a conservative.

Hopefully Mg won't become another statistic and former six digit income to unemployed like SO MANY MANY Americans have

You're kidding, right? I'm a communications engineer versed in microwave communications, fiber optics, tdma, cdma, trunking, cellular telephony, land mobile communications, maritime communications, aircraft communications, HF, VHF, UHF and Microwave, analog and digital. Twenty five years experience and a couple hundred grand in tech training. I'd be unemployed for about ten minutes flat. I am NEVER going to be out of a job, not so long as people love their radios and I keep myself on the bleeding edge of comm technologies.

republicans waged a greedy war against hard working Americans and spiraled the economy into a free fall spin into POVERTY

Dude, the economy has been recovered for about three years now. The recession ended in 2009.

The people who are currently unemployed are out of work because they're unemployable, not because the economy is bad. The economy is fine, it's just that workers are too pathetic to hold real jobs.

Ladies and gentlemen it us the republican ideolgy @!$%#ing you hard.

Poverty is largely self-inflicted. If the poor are being screwed, then it's mostly masturbation.

Vote the republican bastards OUT office in November when you vote for President Obama.

You go right ahead and vote for the $12 Million Man and see how far voting a 1% laureate gets you in the way of economic justice. Maybe he'll send you a postcard from Hawaii or Rio.

The CIA disgusts me too. I think the whole Valerie Plame incident was stupid because the government has no right to lie, not to citizens and not to foreigners.

One of my pet peeves is the violation of the 6th Amendment requiring all trials to be speedy and PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC.

If anyone is convicted, at all, for anything, then that should be a matter of public record. So says the 6th Amendment, and yet court records are sealed as a matter of course and felony records are often hidden from public purview.

The CIA disgusts me. No government has a right to keep secrets.

Razor stubble bothers you does it? And they say you can't tell the difference in the dark.

To be as educated and qualified as you are supposed to be, you have to be supremely shallow to let your life rvolve around facial hair or the lack thereof.

Andrew Jackson was guilty of genocide. But you'd have loved Charles Manson if he had a nice close shave.

Gotcha. You are so wealthy you don't have to be rational anymore. You are a few hundred grand away from Howard Hughs crazy I see.

Razor stubble bothers you does it? And they say you can't tell the difference in the dark.

I hate the dark. It spoils my aim. That's why there are night lights in every room of my house.

Bearded men are lazy and evil. If they have no pride in their own appearance then they're never going to have any respect for others either. A man who has no respect for himself is not capable of respect towards anyone.

To be as educated and qualified as you are supposed to be, you have to be supremely shallow to let your life rvolve around facial hair or the lack thereof.

You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. Most people judge others inside of ten seconds of meeting them. I don't take that long. I usually know enough to hate a guy within the first two seconds.

Andrew Jackson was guilty of genocide. But you'd have loved Charles Manson if he had a nice close shave.

I'd love Charles Manson if his face were on the $20 Bill. Money is the only thing in this world I've ever really loved.

Psychiatrists are liberals. Their opinions are like Obama votes. All talk, no change.