Mitch McConnell: Obama is Unleashing "Liberal Thugs" on Fox News

I guess the latest talking point memo to republicans is to criticize anyone who criticizes Fox Noise. These people are always talking about constitutional rights but want to deprive us ofours. It's an exercise of our first amendment rights to say that Fox sucks, if that's what we feel.

Last time I checked, Fox had the power to actually BOOK the guests and thus control who comes on the network.

Ya know, I've been a Liberal all my life and I have yet to meet one of our "thugs."

They must live under Mitch McConnell's bed and only come out when he turns off the lights.

So many Republicans fear the dark and the boogeymen living under the bed, in the closet, outside the window and in the deep, dark recesses of their minds.

Can you imagine the tax bill we're footing for the body guards these scared little chickens have to have to go out in the daylight?

I would never advocate violence against these fools, but they truly are afraid of their own shadows.

Someone really needs to ask the human-turtle hybrid if he projects much.

The only things that are "victims" is truth and fact as pertains to right-wing media.

And if JOBS are soooooo important to "conservatives," why haven't the GOP controlled congress "created" any??

The human-turtle hybrid has just accused the American people of fear and hate mongering. Hmmm..... He and his ilk are fast becoming a political anachronism, by their own hand. NONE of them have the courage to look in the mirror to see who the REAL problem is.

Pathetic.

Wow...What did he have for breakfast...carnation instant bitch?

Who let the dogs out! There's nothing like a good ole Fox Hunt. Those critters should have been hunted down a long time ago; they've been raiding the chicken coop for way to long!

What is this anyway,animal farm? We have the Turtle, McConnel, pleading mercy for the Fox! But these mis-information peddlers are not worthy of mercy...sick em, Obama...

For those that didn't notice:

The Kentucky Republican continued: “You all know the liberal playbook. Here’s how it works: Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it and then polarize it.

This is part of the latest "Saul Alinsky" nonsense that the republicans have cooked up.

Who is Saul Alinsky? I don't know. I don't care. But I guess it has a spooky boogyman-esque ring to it, so it works.

Funny those tactics are the exact, to the letter tactics, used by "Casino" Jack Ambroff when he was acting as a CONSERVATIVE LOBBYIST and many of the people who he used those tactics against labelled him a CONSERVATIVE THUG.....Mitch must have just read Ambroff's book Capitol Punishment, where Jack clearly spelled out exactly those tactic and how he used them.

Very interesting reading should be required for all US Citizens....things would change in a hurry if everyone knew exactly what was going on.....and Jack was doing it.

Actually The Daily Show and Colbert Report are spot on mimicking the pathetic whiney blithering Fixed Noise crew & their perpetually ignorant listeners. Obama reallyneeds to do nothing as the circus and the clown car parade of useless Republicants says it all-bridges to no where! Ha! Guess its not workin fer ya huh.

Mitch Daniels is positively terrified that the FOX addicts are going to somehow get the truth and vote against the corporate interests only GOP.

Must be their own thugs are failing them?

I swear, Robert, that I DID NOT leave those documents out and about for prying eyes!!! I'll even testify to that.

<gets a call on his cellphone>

Yeah, what's up?...No...What?... WHAT?!?!?!?... YOU HAVE TO BE @!$%#TING ME!!!! HOW IN THE HELL DID THAT HAPPEN?...The "janitor" was cleaning my office...and hacked through my encryption programs? And, then what?...They made "copies"? Well, just "how" many "copies did THEY make?...1000?!?!?...FOR EACH RIGHT WING PUNDIT?!?!?!?!!? Ooooooh @!$%#!!!...YES, YOU FOOL-YOU DID CALL AT A "BAD" TIME!!!!!!!

<throws cellphone in disgust>

Uhhh, Robert...Would it be a "bit" late to tell you that "we" have a problem?

Fox News' Lies Keep Them Out of Canada
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/5123-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada

Maybe we should follow Canada's example?

The right seems really desperate.

I wish McConnell was looking for a job. What a complete waste of skin. To think he gets a lifetime retirement for pursuing his one goal of making Obama a one term President. Way to serve the public you putz.

Us "liberals" pick on Faux News? That's rich! Mitch stated clearly on day one, the his only goal was to make Pres. Obama a one term president, and Faux News has attacked us lefties 24/7 since the Nov. 2008 election, non stop, lies, fake made up crisises, etc. and we pick on them? ROFLMAO..................

webslinger:

I would never advocate violence against these fools, but they truly are afraid of their own shadows.

LOL

That is because they don't have shadows they have wraiths that torment them and cause them to fear their passing. They know where they are headed and it is not with Jesus Christ.

We are making progress when 'Foxbots' declare watching C-Span and hopefully other "NEWS" outlets! C-Span, IS fair and balanced, they put on people of all political persuasions, and the announcers are not perpetually leaning to the right...

To the rest of the population, don't forget; the republicans speak in opposites. Everything McConnell was crying about, is exactly what the right wing does all the time. Funny,how they brand everybody that doesn't dance to their music, or fall in line with the goose-step; as thugs, ie...teachers,EMS,fire fighters,nurses,police officers,etc...

But right wing flame throwers like Rove,Norquist,Limbaugh,Beck,Palin,Bachmann,Faux News,A L E C etc... are patriotic... Angels?

OK, I get it, SATAN has Disciples too...

The Kentucky Republican continued: “You all know the liberal playbook. Here’s how it works: Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it and then polarize it.

You know, like - oh.... maybe.....

Pick a target

attacking health care reform?

personalize it

"Obamacare"?

polarize it.

"Death panels"?

Yertle, you really do suck, you know that?

You don't even have to go that far to find an example, Rorschach. McConnell's entire speech follows those tactics.

(Bitter, bitter irony...)

LOL WmRAllen, I know. It's as if he laid down on his back, brought his legs over his head so that his @!$%# was right there hovering over his mouth and he just began @!$%#ting directly into his own mouth while he bitched, "The Democrats are @!$%#ting on us GRHRHRHHHhhhhh!!!!!!"

Paranoid Mitch....

this is the GOP leader.

Mitch McConnell's a Nazi. An actual Nazi. Part of the Hitler Youth.

There, and that's the kind of rhetoric the Republican party is resorting to lately. They're trying to turn the Obama administration into some apocalyptic event, where we can only be saved by voting for his party, who incidentally put our country into most of the problems they're complaining about these days. Well, forget it Mitch. You all sound like desperate idiots.

And as far as I'm concerned, when you use the language you have been, like "Liberal Thugs" onto Fox News, from which you'd have to be getting preferential coverage to even care that much, like it'd have to be your own personal propaganda machine, you're straight up Nazis. You jump the shark your way, Mitch, and I'll jump it the other way.

I don't know about you all but I am sick an sofa king tired of being called a THUG. And the A$$hole calls our President a THUG.

Mitch, you are a flaming POS!!!

Poor widdle FOX news (sniff sniff) I feel sofa king sorry for you all too.

NOT!!!!

As Elmer Fudd would say the "Wascally Wibewal Conspiwacy." Easy for him to say.

Yup, they are lying. That's all there is to it.

As Porky Pig would say "ibityibityibityibityibityibityibityibityibity that's all folks."

“because conservatives are just simply more fun” than liberals.

I'll agree with that: idiots will laugh about anything.

How the hell does McConnell know? Did he ask Fox to hack some liberal phones?

Chicken Little had nothing on these guys... (the SKY is FALl i n g!,...)

Does this man has any credibility left when word comes out of him?

This is the first sitting president who has commented on a news agaency...ever. Combine that with the fact that Carney and the other White House staff constantly attack Fox News, and the fact that we have constant attacks on Fox from the Newsvine every friggin day, and you wonder why people question your tactics? Let's face it, is this guys comment really "Top Seed" newsworthy? No. And how many Liberals have not only visited this site, but actually took the time to attack Fox News themselves? I'm counting in the hundreds at the moment,and the day is still young. Please look into the mirror Liberals. Whether FOX, MSNBC, or CNN are biased or not is something most people can make up the minds for themselves. When you attack Fox so steadily and regularly though, it shows that you are afraid of something, which makes people go watch Fox all the more to find out what it is. There are reasons that Fox News has been number 1 for 10 years, and I think your animosity is one of those!!

Cob, calling out someone on what they state as truth or fact, is not animosity. Too often in the past, people let half a story or half the truth stand...People are not doing that anymore. Heck, even the Washington Post and other news people are getting on the bandwagon of 'Did they tell the whole story, did they tell the facts, did they tell the truth?"

It is a good thing that people question the value of other statements that are being made. No one should have a problem with it.

Cob, We call them out because of the lies, 1/2 truths and embellishments they broadcast each and everyday. You all that are faithful watchers of FAUX believe any and everything they say then begin your attacks on NV and our POTUS after hearing all their crap. You never check what they are broadcasting to see it is true or factual. You just wing it out there. As far as being afraid of them? No way, I just hate liars!

Lynn...sometimes I think they do the half story stuff so they can get in more advertisements...LOL

This is the first sitting president who has commented on a news agaency...ever.

So? a spade is a spade. Fox is banned in Canada and probably soon in the UK. Too bad we have a part of this population that would rather be lied to than face the @!$%#ing truth. Fox news is an embarrassment to integrity.

CCArm, It is called ignorance on our part and for that I am sorry for my fellow Americans who will not research and educate themselves.

When you attack Fox so steadily and regularly though, it shows that you are afraid of something

Cob, do you ever question anything Fox News says? I question every news souece I read or listen to,abd try to get several opinions. then I make up my mind based on what I find. So If I find 10 sources who agree on the facts about something, and Fox disagrees with them, I tend to believe the other 10; not Fox.

I suspect that you would believe Fox every time without looking at any other source because anyone who disagrees with Fox is obviously biased, and lying. And part of "the liberal conspiracy."

Do you guys even read my full post? I already mention that people should be allowed to look at FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc., and make up their own mind. All I am getting from you guys is, "Fox lies" and "Fox tells half truths". I question Fox, I question MSNBC, I question everything, and then, like a normal human being should, I MAKE UP MY OWN MIND! You guys, with your constant attacked on Fox seem to be trying to push people to stop watching Fox and only watch the show you believe are truthful. How come I never see posts on the vine attacking MSNBC? CNN puts a heavy European slant on it's news, where is your anger???? It's directed totally at Fox, which once again makes me believe you are scared of what Fox has to offer. And human nature in history shows, what we fear...we destroy!!!

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I really don't like watching the news. I prefer to still read the newspapers. On television ya get sound bytes and little indepth reporting. Mixed in with a lot of propagandized spin, no matter which corporate owned station it is. I prefer PBS for unbiased views on tv.

Propaganda machines spewing out opinions is not news, it is politically and materially motivated spin.

obert Bartholomew

Oh, oh... The jig is up. McConnell is on to us!

OK... Who gave him a copy of the secret memo from Obama on "How to Victimize Fox News"???

You know... the one where the "Dear Leader" outlined why we must destroy the conservatives... because we're jealous about how much "fun" they have... especially at right-wing prayer-fests like the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Damn!

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#1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:12 PM PST

Don't forget about the news conference where Prez Obama announced to the world that Democrats' only objective was to make the Republican Congress a one-term President! /sarc

CCArm

This is the first sitting president who has commented on a news agaency...ever.

So? a spade is a spade. Fox is banned in Canada and probably soon in the UK. Too bad we have a part of this population that would rather be lied to than face the @!$%#ing truth. Fox news is an embarrassment to integrity.

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#1.39 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:16 AM PST

Maybe we need a new fairness Doctrine written in context of today, seems like FauxNews might have been prevented from going all out hard core Republican w/o offering a true counter-spin or allowing for all sides to equally present themselves giving their viewers the opportunity to decide who/what to believe/think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced. The FCC decided to eliminate the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.^[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_news

The channel was created by Australian-American media mogul Rupert Murdoch, who hired former NBC executive Roger Ailes as the foundingCEO.^[1] The channel was launched on October 7, 1996^[2]

I can only assume that plans for an American owned extremist channel (by Murdoch) began around 1987 :(

Some of us bash Fox not so much because we fear them but because they lie. The biggest lie they tell is "Fair and Balanced". While it is true that every major news outlet presents information from their own perspective Fox is the only one I see that is consistently biased to the extreme of refusing to give even lip service to the other side. As to MSNBC they are completely frank about their position and still present the other side whenever they can. They do not typically disrespect or drown out the other side but, more often than not listen, question, and discuss. Allowing thinking viewers to form their own opinions. I have never seen anyone on Fox treat a democrat with anything but contempt.

I have never seen anyone on Fox treat a democrat with anything but contempt.

While I have seen that on Fox, it tends to stem from guests on the Hannity Show or O'Reilly Factor. these are pushed as commentary rather than News, much like the Ed show, rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, etc... And like Fox, all of the commentators go out of their way to attacke their conservative guests. Did you see the "panel" MSNBC used after it hosted one of the Republican debats? Rachel Maddow oversaw the panel of Al Sharpton, Ed Shultz, and then they had a third guy on the panel from Democratic strategy. naturally the whole panle blasted every statement out of the repubs mouths rather than discuss. At least O'Reilly goes out of his way to attack Republican stupididty as well as Democrat!

Correction: Maybe we need a new Fairness Doctrine written in context of today, seems like FauxNews might have been prevented [if we had one]...

Same with Rush Limbaugh, his career really took off as soon as the Fairness Doctrine was tossed into the trash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

He moved to New York City in 1988 where he began the national broadcast of his program on WABC radio. His program grew in popularity and he began his rise to national fame.

In the 1990s, Limbaugh's fame grew beyond radio, into publishing and television. He became a bestselling author with his books

Previous to 1988, Limbaugh was a small time radio jocky in Sacramento w/o a National audience much less any form of a significantly sized local audience.

this point of view from someone(liberal) that decries fairness and tolerance, I guess that means tolerance of only your point of view, knuckle dragging point of view

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this point of view from someone(liberal) that decries fairness and tolerance, I guess that means tolerance of only your point of view, knuckle dragging point of view

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#1.48 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST

Who is denouncing fairness & tolerance? Are you saying FauxNews decries fairness & tolerance? Inquiring minds want to know :) Animalistic knuckle dragging? My understanding is that Liberals are able to think with parts of their mind newer to evolution for readily, while conservatives seem to more often think with the primal parts of our brains - such as in looking behind every bush for a pouncing tiger & interpreting most everything first & foremost as a threat, afraid of change & stuck in their path...

C: My understanding is that Liberals are able to think with parts of their mind newer to evolution for more readily, while conservatives seem to more often think with the primal parts of our brains.

C: My understanding is that Liberals are able to think with parts of their mind newer to evolution for more readily, while conservatives seem to more often think with the primal parts of our brains.....this has nothing to do with you being intolerant of Fox news and the people that agree with them, so in essence, you have become what you denounce!!!

scott-1148057

C: My understanding is that Liberals are able to think with parts of their mind newer to evolution for more readily, while conservatives seem to more often think with the primal parts of our brains.....this has nothing to do with you being intolerant of Fox news and the people that agree with them, so in essence, you have become what you denounce!!!

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#1.51 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:11 PM PST

Well, I do have a response to that - though you may disagree still, but:

What it comes down to is the question of how tolerant should we be of the intolerant? I don't mind if church goers choose to not choose options given to them such as the use of contraceptives provided through their health care provider - in fact if the offer is there, and nobody takes it, then that says wonders about the word of God and how effectively the church is able to spread it into open hands. It's when the church wants to limit the options of people that the problems arise. Same with private biz owners - if in the 60's tolerance was the only goal, including tolerance of racism, then very little if anything would have changed, there would still be places in America where the Right to travel freely is compromised for some folks based on the color of their skin because inevitably there would be pockets of America that simply have no services for Blacks - tolerance of the intolerant would have meant the end of the campaign for tolerance - get it? I like this quote: http://www.npr.org/books/titles/138333564/american-fascists-the-christian-right-and-the-war-on-america?tab=excerpt#excerpt

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

— Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies

If Mitch and his fellow Republicans would actually fight for the people he's suppose to represent instead of FOX and corporate jobs could be developed for the people. Like Obama's jobs bill that they are obstructing. The country's infrastructure is eroding and Mitch is doing everything he can to make sure no jobs are there. Many many jobs there that would stimulate the economy. But where are the Republicans? Filiblustering as usual.

"Cornhusker4Palin Comment collapsed by the community"

What was that about? Did he/she say something really horribly frightening to children? Why censor that post?

"Liberal Thugs". Isn't that an oxymoron?

This statement, “The president seems to have forgotten that he was elected to lead all Americans, that he was elected to be president of the United States, not the Occupy Wall Street fan club!” , is a glaring example of the hypocrisy displayed by many elected officials, but especially those from the GOP lately.

Many of the Republican members of Congress are so busy pandering to the base of their party that they are disenfranchising the majority within their own ranks, to say nothing of not representing the interests of all Americans that they were elected to represent.

tolerance of the intolerant would have meant the end of the campaign for tolerance.......this says then you have selective tolerance, if you are not fully tolerant then you are part tolerant and part intolerant!

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tolerance of the intolerant would have meant the end of the campaign for tolerance.......this says then you have selective tolerance, if you are not fully tolerant then you are part tolerant and part intolerant!

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#1.57 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:45 PM PST

Yes, this is exactly what that means (no sarc). And?

Doncha just hate him?

"Cornhusker4Palin Comment collapsed by the community"

What was that about? Did he/she say something really horribly frightening to children? Why censor that post?

I'm a liberal and I have to admit that there is no reason for that post to have been collapsed.

more than likely, to emphasize, in block ,,,a disingenuous... at best.... statement of Senator McConnell's and writing that he is right, made a few people unhappy. The comment can still be read. It wasn't deleted though which would have been a whole other situation.

And people are getting maxed on the lies.... masquerading as truth.... because they are stated by a Congressional person and upheld as correct by others without facts to back it up. There is also that there would be no discussion to be had because often this is a one time comment and no more follow. Basically, if they won't stay and offer facts for their comment, then the comment doesn't stay up either.

I agree with Holly. To the VINE community, please let the right wing, and their agents, express themselves. Trying to restrict the markek place of ideas and opinions, is to be acting like the regressive,conservative,hating Republicans! And for tolerant,open minded,progressive minded people, adopting the Republicans mantra is like being sentenced to purgatory...

Newsvine's 'C O H' should suffice...let the right wing spew their bs, after all,even a broken clock, displays the correct time twice a day.

CH4P's comment was likely collapsed due to their history of nonsensical posts. In this case, it probably shouldn't have been collapsed though. It was a fairly benign comment. If anything, it might not've added anything to the conversation, but it was hardly collapse worthy. It's just that CH4P has a history of comments that aggravate.

Actually my comment that was collapsed was a quote from the very article seeded here by the seeder, Robert B. Along with a comment that I was going to watch his speech for myself. Which for the record, I did. It was a great speech.

Cornhusker4Palin

Actually my comment that was collapsed was a quote from the very article seeded here by the seeder, Robert B. Along with a comment that I was going to watch his speech for myself. Which for the record, I did. It was a great speech.

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#1.64 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:30 PM PST

Sounds like an interesting topic, maybe you should start a thread/seed about it somewhere.

As for FauxNews, they have lied so many times it isn't funny - they don't even always correct their obvious mistakes, just letting them fade into their viewers memories as accurate for the most part when such instances of reporting are outright falsehoods. They will play speeches highly edited as raw footage, completely giving a different impression of what was said to their viewers than what the actual people who were there came away with.

Why would I start a thread? The article had already been seeded by the seeder here. I simply added another small portion of the very same article he seeded. Also, what does Fox news have to do with my collapsed post? In it I said I was going to watch it on C-SPAN, meaning I was going to see ALL of it.

Cornhusker4Palin

Why would I start a thread? The article had already been seeded by the seeder here. I simply added another small portion of the very same article he seeded. Also, what does Fox news have to do with my collapsed post? In it I said I was going to watch it on C-SPAN, meaning I was going to see ALL of it.

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#1.66 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:01 PM PST

I am speaking of the discussion of moderation - it is a derail in my opinion - the topic is not moderation, and there are mechanisms in place to deal with issues one has with moderation which do not involve derailing the conversation into a conversation on behavior of Viners collapsing msgs, though it sounds like a great topic - just not part of Obama/Liberal Thugs/FauxNews...

There are so many lies by FauxNews. I watch it (to torture myself I guess). I have seen many instances of outright falsehoods being given as truths, and when it is painfully proven to be false, FauxNews simply stops reporting on it and moves onto another subject rather than making it clear that they were wrong in the first place, giving the correct information. Then, a year later - the topic will come up as if the original premise wasn't painfully wrong in the first place, leading into an even greater supposed "liberal conspiracy" which in order to make believable requires their audience to have faith that the original (false) story was accurate - such as all the hoopla about the New Black Panthers and the great threat to our Democratic way of life that they present(ed) - and that is just ONE example - I can give many...

the topic is not moderation, and there are mechanisms in place to deal with issues one has with moderation which do not involve derailing the conversation into a conversation on behavior of Viners collapsing msgs, though it sounds like a great topic

What moderation? The seeder didn't delete the message. It was certainly not off topic. No admin. person collapsed it. If you don't want the collapsing of a seed to become an issue, let's not collapse it without good reason. Otherwise it will become an issue each and every single time it happens, and those of us on the other side of an issue where a post is collapsed in that manner will wear that collapse as a badge of honor. Even known liberals above were critical of that post being collapsed. Btw, Mitch McConnell was right!

Combine that with the fact that Carney and the other White House staff constantly attack Fox News,

They constantly attack Fox News? Really???

Carol,

I'm still waiting for examples of all of those "constant" attacks.....as I said at another point on this seed - simply replaying the same clip over and over and over does not make something a "constant attack".

please delete my double post.

Cornhusker4Palin

the topic is not moderation, and there are mechanisms in place to deal with issues one has with moderation which do not involve derailing the conversation into a conversation on behavior of Viners collapsing msgs, though it sounds like a great topic

What moderation? The seeder didn't delete the message. It was certainly not off topic. No admin. person collapsed it. If you don't want the collapsing of a seed to become an issue, let's not collapse it without good reason. Otherwise it will become an issue each and every single time it happens, and those of us on the other side of an issue where a post is collapsed in that manner will wear that collapse as a badge of honor. Even known liberals above were critical of that post being collapsed. Btw, Mitch McConnell was right!

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#1.68 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:41 PM PST

A lot of words said there by you & not me, collapsing is included in the general discussion of moderation in my mind, sorry you don't feel that way, I strongly do - again, sounds like another great topic for a seed of yours, no? Badges are worn with honor, not whined about, no? I think that should be a question raised in the seed you write! Thanks for explaining how the vine process works to me, though I must admit I already knew/know everything you've written concerning such processes.

Moderators and people who include themselves in this discussion did not delete anything, true? Even if the seeder deleted them he can not undelete them , no? The same with collapsing by Viners, no?

One thing that means is discussing the collapses here is fruitless, the only mechanism to uncollapse them has nothing to do with seeking verbal/written justice within the very seed one is collapsed in - in fact, the only way to uncollapse such a msg is to work outside of this seed using a msg system that is Private and between you and NewsVine staff.

Moving the topic to moderation is only a derail, nothing can come out of it here as well. I find the collapses a badge of honor in some respects too, and when I feel I've been collapsed wrong I write to staff informing them asking them to uncollapse the msg and most every time the msg is uncollapsed - it does feel good to come back the next day & see that vine justice has been served - the discussion continues - no derails.

So now that we've determined your not happy with being collapsed (not too many people do I would imagine)

Btw, Mitch McConnell was right!

Good. Maybe this is where the Nerds finally kick ass against the mean small minded jocks! Somebody has to stop R's from destroying our country, returning us to slavery times, putting us under Christian Sharia Law & taking away all our rights!

Correction: So now that we've determined your not happy with being collapsed (not too many people do are [happy when it happens to them] I would imagine)

Republicans might not like all the fight coming from the Left these days - maybe they've forgotten that one of the biggest complaints Liberals have had against Prez Obama is his lack of fight, trying to be the man of compromise. It sounded great getting Obama elected as Prez, I know I wanted our political system to be able to function as smoothly as possible which includes comromise - but - Between then and now, the Tea Party/R's have made it more than clear that compromise is not an option [[[one of many many many examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYSltbiu8U&feature=related ]]] - That would mean w/o fight from Obama, there would only be flight out of the WH and other branches of Gov for D's because they would simply be ran over and out of town w/o resistance. We the People who got Prez Obama elected figured this out a long time ago, pretty much when the Teaparty took control of the Republican party. Prez Obama now seems to not just understand this, but is willing to finally put his fist up after showing that he didn't pick this fight but that it's up to him to end it - and maybe Liberal media/propaganda machines/organizations now too. Now that Prez Obama finally has his fist up, and apparently with the "Liberal Machine" working hard to confront such propaganda as FauxNews, there is not just a chance for Liberals to achieve political victory - but it's almost guaranteed via disgust for the R party by the majority of Americans (much more the world). Republicans want a fight :( there is no reasoning with R's right now due to their own terms or what they call "Principles" - so... !DING DING DING, ROUND TWO!

Do you really believe that if Obama wins re election that the fighht as you call it will end? That we would simply give up and be quiet? Far from it. An Obama unconstrained by having to face the voters again will face redoubled and doubled down opposition to all that he stands for as any victory he achieves is a defeat for America and freedom.

Right, so NEXT year he'll really be coming for your guns.

Or is it your Bibles?

Or is it that he's going to institute Sharia law?

Indoctrinate our kids?

Force you to buy a hybrid?

Make you change your lightbulbs?

Make you eat your peas?

Mandate abortions?

Let the terrorists win?

Be careful, your paranoia is getting to you....or has it already gotten you? Beware the shadows and the boogeymen under your bed!

Cornhusker4Palin

Do you really believe that if Obama wins re election that the fighht as you call it will end? That we would simply give up and be quiet? Far from it. An Obama unconstrained by having to face the voters again will face redoubled and doubled down opposition to all that he stands for as any victory he achieves is a defeat for America and freedom.

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#1.74 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:59 PM PST

According to people like Allen West, it will mean no less than civil war with the blood of Americans spilling into the streets at the hands of other Americans who feel that because they did not get their way through the ballot booth, they are now required to achieve their political goals via bullet box. Hardly what our "Founding Fathers" intended - they spoke of doing the exact opposite, the King they revolted against did not allow the majority to rule, that is what their beef was with the King. Here and now, today, Republicans are unhappy with majority rule, and site the Founding Fathers with their reasons for fighting for majority rule as a reason(s) to fight the current majority rule (Remember how Obama was elected in a fair election by a large majority?). Our Founding Fathers really did not like how the King would not allow seats to be filled in key positions of Gov locking up the system preventing things from running smoothly - which is more akin to how Republicans are nothing but obstructionist these days. Our Founding Fathers were upset that the King was not pro-immigration into North America, the King worked to make it harder to enter & the Founding Fathers wanted it to be much easier to immigrate here. These are main reasons for the Founding of the United States of America as written in the Declaration of Independence.

I would not be surprised if there was war.

Really? Civil war? I don't think so. There are plenty of ways to civilly and peacefully resist excessive edicts from the annointed one. I discussed them elsewhere recently. if there is violence it will come from the left attempting to compel things by force they can't get any other way due to that passive, legal opposition and at worst non violent civil disobedience the other side used in the 50's and 60's. If there is what you describe above, it will come from the left out of frustration in having their objectives stopped short by courts, filibusters, and active passive resistance I described. We've already seen the differences between the two sides with how Tea party rallies and occupy wall st. ones have transpired.

We've already seen the differences between the two sides with how Tea party rallies and occupy wall st. ones have transpired.

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#1.77 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:07 PM PST

First off, I've had a teabagger throw his fist in my face with the intention of knocking me out - luckily I was fast enough to catch his fist in my hand like a baseball rather than my face catching it - it turned into a struggle cause I wouldn't let go of his arms until I was sure he wasn't going to try to fight me anymore. I almost had to take him down to the ground & lock him down until help arrived - but the guy got scared after realizing I was in control and made it clear that if I let him go he would back off, plus people had gathered from both sides. The idiot left the scene a couple min later, but I stuck around and talked to some of the Teabaggers sharing our POV's, albeit I was pretty shaken up for a good half hour or so...

Second, maybe you've forgotten just how bad the tea party is/was:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7059433 The Teaparty isn't about Civil War you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4BU8pfz2O4

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/another-non-violent-tea-partier-gets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPkjyMhaFOw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW-YYUmPctQSame thing happened to me at a tea party protest - all I was doing was chanting "Iraq had nothing to do with 911" to counter their "USA USA USA" - and a tea bagger tried to take me down without a second thought!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSxYFz4z_qg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVS4Zgjm8HE&feature=related

http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader

http://www.yourblackworld.com/2011/11/02/gop-group-sends-out-picture-of-pres-obama-with-a-bullet-hole-in-his-head/

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a3b_1252966753

Five min into this one is a direct threat to spill blood of American citizens simply if the tea party had not gotten their way in the ballot booth - straight up no innuendos, no unclarity about it - a straight up threat to spill my blood because I would be one of the people suppressing such a terrorist act, along with Police, military and others who the tea party would be shooting at with the intent to kill, solely because they don't like the immigration policies, universal health care & our tax structure and weren't able to influence the majority of Americans to think like they do having lost in a fair democratic election with no corruption. Lets make this clear, Kaufman is not saying if the Democratic voting process is somehow hijacked and proven to be dishonest then the people must give up the voting process to take up arms. Kaufman (Allen West' campaign manager) is saying/said that if the tea party does not win the majority vote in a perfectly working democratic election, that the next logical step is to go to the bullet box, load guns and spill the blood of myself and others until they are either the majority themselves or until they have the majority so in fear of their lives that they are willing to relinquish all control over to the tea party - Joyce Kaufman has said no less, it was a tea party event on a street corner with a very loud speaker system for all to hear her warnings with a tea party/Allen West crowd cheering her on & Allen West himself at the side of the stage waiting to speak himself!?! And you call the OWS protesters violent!?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB7g3y597fs&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtxeCg6HpEE&feature=relmfuProof Allen West was there too, condoning the treats of terrorist threats acted out by the Tea party spilling American citizens' blood in the streets of America.

By the way, when the right constantly decries the "Main/*LAME*stream Media", what is that? Not that I haven't called McConnell a clown already, but the right has a pathetic knack for attacking and claiming to be the victim at the same time.

Boy who cried wolf, little goblin man, boy who cried wolf. I don't take you as sincere on any matter.

Correction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtxeCg6HpEE&feature=relmfu Proof Allen West was there too, condoning the treats threats of terrorist terrorism threats to be acted out by the Tea party spilling American citizens' blood in the streets of America.

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